• vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Russia is less terrorist than Azerbaijan, but the latter isn’t even being sanctioned (and there’s been an ICJ decision against them, but everybody ignores it) for starving out a little country of 120k people right now in a medieval siege, and openly stating that they are doing exactly that.

    I don’t think Ukraine has lots of problems. At least the aggressor there is recognized for what it is and the victim is recognized for what it is and armed by half the world.

    I don’t think Ukraine deserves any attention, in fact, since in Artsakh they support Azerbaijan. Support of now finally actual genocide happening is what makes me think that.

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      Russian likes to threaten the world with nukes - nuclear war would inevitably lead to a nuclear holocaust that would cause the near extinction of the human species.

      I don’t give a flying fuck about Azerbaijan. Russia is terrorizing the entire species of humanity. Until you’re threatening to wipe out the entire planet, you are not a terrorist on the same level as Russia.

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        Russian likes to threaten the world with nukes

        Tactical nukes usually.

        nuclear war would inevitably lead to a nuclear holocaust that would cause the near extinction of the human species.

        If you use tactical nukes, then it’s not much more significant than using thermobaric ordnance or cassettes or even chemical weapons or anything else kinda nasty and non-conventional.

        It won’t lead to a global thermonuclear war and thus a nuclear holocaust any more than use of sarin in Syria did.

        However! If you don’t give a flying fuck about a smaller holocaust then I don’t give one about your bigger one even if it involves me, I just don’t care.

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          It won’t lead to a global thermonuclear war and thus a nuclear holocaust any more than use of sarin in Syria did.

          You didn’t mention the escalation policy of either of those countries during a war event.

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            Escalation policies tend to become very elastic when implemented by humans.

            They really can get to some limited strategic exchange, but after that point some countries are democratic and that demos which supposedly rules them will tear into pieces everybody preventing the cessation of hostilities, and others are authoritarian, and their authority cares about its lives and well-being the most.

            I mean, NATO officials have become much more modest with words about “any attack on NATO territory is an attack on NATO” after a few stray missiles have landed on Polish territory, for example.

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              Escalation policies tend to become very elastic when implemented by humans.

              I’m talking about the Rules of Engagement during wartime. Especially when it comes to the release of nuclear weapons. These rules are very un-elastic.

              Each use of nuclear force is responded to by an escalated nuclear force reply. This can keep happening until all the missiles are in the air, flying to their destinations.

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          If you don’t give a flying fuck about a smaller holocaust then I don’t give one about your bigger one even if it involves me, I just don’t care.

          Sure, Russia threatens the entire human species, but if it doesn’t suit your liberal virtue-signalling for some marginalized minority, then it’s fine with you.

          What’s the survival of humanity vs your imaginary liberal internet points.

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            Sure, Russia threatens the entire human species,

            Your life is worth at best as much as any Artsakhi farmer’s life. In fact much less, if by “the entire human species” you mean yourself.

            Now, Russia can’t threaten anybody, I’d be surprised if any of those strategic nukes are still operational. I happen to live in Russia and know how things are usually done here. That aside, Russia’s regime consists of thieves and murderers, not some Hollywood fascist hardliners. They care for their lives very much.

            but if it doesn’t suit your liberal virtue-signalling for some marginalized minority

            At this point I’d actually prefer that somebody nukes the miserable being you are.

            And people of Artsakh are very much the majority in their land, however they are besieged and dying from hunger.

            But, well, it’s good to know that you care about Ukraine only because of being afraid that, again, somebody nukes you.

            Also my ancestors on paternal side happen to be from a certain valley in the province of Tayq, Western Armenia, currently occupied by a certain genocidal NATO country. I won’t buy your bullshit. I’ll care about Ukraine and somebody, again, nuking you personally when enough people care about that, which is never.

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              The people of Artsakh are also people of the world. Russia is threatening them with extinction too. You don’t actual care about them. You’re a fake and a liar begging for liberal minority points online.

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                Russia is threatening them in much more material way, with all its deals with Azerbaijan (which would be something sanction-worthy for the latter if it were, I don’t know, Georgia), but it isn’t killing them right now.

                You don’t actual care about them.

                I very definitely do, my aunt’s husband is from there and a participant of the first war.

                You’re a fake and a liar

                Judging by your use of the words “liberal” and “minority”, I’d say your opinion on the matter is not worth much, neither are you as a whole.

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                  If you actually cared about them, you should do something about Russia’s short pathetic clown of a dictator. Then Russia would have a chance at respect on the world stage.

                  Right now, the entire rest world would be better off if Russia didn’t exist. You let Putin make that so.

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                    Your own country is not a dictatorship yet it deals with Azerbaijan and Turkey. So you are responsible for that, democracy and all. I suggest you fix that first, then blabber about what I do and don’t do, which you don’t know anyway. Right now you are a valid target for that “hit them where they don’t expect it” option that the weaker side always has.

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      I think Ukraine is a western puppet. But that doesn’t mean Russia isn’t also shit.

      People can wrap their heads around two mean bullies fighting in a schoolyard. But someone when it’s politics many people want a single bad guy.

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        Ukraine is not “western” puppet, it’s just a big oligarch-dominated part of the ex-USSR.

        Say, Transcaucasia was toxic nationalist-bandit-oligarch dominated, with these components being initially almost equally mixed, and to some extent still is.

        Russia was oligarch and FSB dominated, until those merged with FSB being on top.

        Ukraine was similar, but oligarchs are on top now.

        I wholeheartedly agree that Ukraine is better than Russia. It’s just more similar to Russia in the dimension of evil than most here seem to think.