Ukrainians in occupied territories who refuse Russian passports face threats, intimidation and possible detention or deportation, Yale study says

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          Wonder if those groups are organic but misled or crafted by China and Russia agencies.

          I’ve read a couple of times that Russia should be supported because USA/NATO attacks countries and stages coups in Latin America for example.

          Sure, everyone should be critical of the USA but we can also have a nuanced view.

          A thought experiment: What if the USA (Russia) were to invade Mexico (Ukraine)? Should Latin America (Europe) support Mexico (Ukraine) from the invasion?

          The same can be applied to other continents. China & Taiwan. Turkey & Greece. Etc

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            The anti-US/anti-NATO sentiment turning pro-russian is much older than astrosurfing. American hegemony during the '90s/'00s made it mainstream in many European left-wing parties, especially in reaction to the Gulf and Irak wars. At the time, America was the biggest bully around, used NATO as an extension of its foreign policy, etc. etc. so it was ideologically sound to try to get Europe to build some economic and political ties elsewhere to reduce American influence.

            In this new multipolar world where the US isn’t the only superpower around, one must reconsider this sentiment as it clearly works against Western interests. Yet it somehow persists to this day in left-wing politics with some reactionaries who cannot get over the fact that “America bad” does not mean “Russia/China better” (the enemy of my enemy is… still my enemy, STFU).

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            “in Latin America for example” lmao. coup was staged in ukraine/syria. what about iraq? what about nato expansion? what about…

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              Yes, very good, it applies to those as well. The continent selection in the example is a nice metaphor because there’s a physical border shared

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                i do not think that russia should take over ukraine, but the war between russia and ukraine is different. 30 years ago they were the same country. there are many ukrainians in russia/russians in ukraine. there was a pro west coup in ukraine in 2014. it’s like war between pakistan and india

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                  They were not the same country 30 years ago. Ukraine even had its own vote in the UN.

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      Holy shit, imagine defending genocide purely because of who’s committing it. Take a good look at yourself, mate. Fucking shameful.

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      Yes, he’s bad, evil in fact. Saying it in a mocking tone doesn’t change that material reality

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      I was really hoping users on Lemmy were mature enough not to use the caveman speak you see all over Reddit.