Excuse my ignorance im just curious.
Hard to moderate. Brings influencers and bots. Doesn’t contribute anything that can’t be easily found elsewhere.
influencers
Anything that can cut down on the ability to monetize a platform is worth it.
i hadnt really thought of it until now, and was kind of expecting lemmy/kbin to get infected with porn, but you state some great reasons. i want to be open that i have used porn subs in the past, and i think that porn should 100% be legal. every adult should have the right to express themselves as long as they are not infringing on someone else’s rights or safety.
before onlyfans, /r/gonewild was actually pretty appealing. once the amateur porn scene took off, reddit porn subs became advertisements (“check the comments for my onlyfans 😜🍑”) and spam bots reposting other people’s porn. i really would prefer to avoid that. if someone wants porn, they can go back to reddit or whatever porn dedicated site there is.
btw, i knew a girl who ran one of her own onlyfans-type things. i know it’s annecdotal so my one experience isn’t representative, but she ruined it for me. that girl was complete trash. she still lived with her parents at 24 years old with no ambition other than to live off of others. she proudly stated this. she didn’t work. she had multiple sugar daddies that would financially support her while she would insult them and her customers behind their backs openly to anyone that would listen to her garbage. she had multiple separate ig accounts, each dedicated to a sugar daddy. she would then friend her real friends to show off the “losers” that would support her. the rest of her sisters, while not as bad, were near the same level of toxicity: highly predatory, psychopathically manipulative, and vindictive af. they shared the same social circle that was all the same crap. i fully expect to see at least one of them in the news or jail blotter eventually. i ended up blocking them all on all avenues of communication and recorded me on video telling them that they arent allowed on my property. i also created a highly detailed journal of our interactions, recorded conversations, and kept evidence in case they ever felt like attacking me for setting boundaries.
anyway, in my experience, the persona we see them display on the internet is fake. they’re not some horny person just dying for some internet stranger to hook up with. theyre not a victim of the circumstances theyre trying to escape. they don’t get turned on by being “slutty” just for you. they get turned on by the power to manipulate others at other’s expense. that their real kink: abuse. it becomes disgusting.
again, i know not all online sex workers are this way, and there are certainly the fantastical pornstars and couple’s that aren’t terrible people but some definitely are horrible and we dont actually know which one is which because the public gets a false presentation of who they really are.
thanks for attending my ted talk. ill have a spicy chicken sandwich pls.
I’m going to lmao if Reddit becomes a porm only site due to lack of any other content.
I’m surprised anyone would think their are being themselves… I thought everyone knew they are acting. But maybe not everyone knows this actually.
Maybe men are a bit stupid in this regard… Some of us get a bit brain freezed by a good looking woman.
Did you say good looking woman? Where?
she still lived with her parents at 24 years old with no ambition other than to live off of others. she proudly stated this. she didn’t work. she had multiple sugar daddies that would financially support her while she would insult them and her customers behind their backs openly to anyone that would listen to her garbage.
Unimaginably based, she is my hero
Because we dont want to moderate porn, simple as that. Other instances are free to do this differently.
@Marv IMO we need some NSFW instances. It wouldn’t be a problem with the rest of lemmy/kbin because it’s easy to filter out communities/magazine or entire instances.
There is a legitimate demand for NSFW content. And NSFW content can be a decisive factor in the success of a platform. (See Tumblr vs Twitter, photographs on instagram, etc.) Sex workers are also a vulnerable group and one of the goals of the fediverse is to provide a place for marginalized groups.
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BUT, it needs moderation and moderating NSFW is hard, exhausting and time-consuming. Not everyone wants to do that. Also when I say NSFW content, it doesn’t have to be porn bot posting content they don’t own. It could be OC only, a photograph community that allows nude models, etc. Unlike porn dumps communities, those are important places to have.Edit: Also research the history of switter, it’s very interesting. And one of the big failures of the fediverse. We should learn from it.
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burggit.moe seems to allow NSFW content
I’m assuming https://cumplay.win/ is also porn friendly
Many of us do not want porn, so it only makes sense that porn goes into specific instances that people who do not want porn can block out. It’s a freedom of choice thing.
Personally, I don’t see why we’d want to bring erotica to Lemmy.
There’s already an abundance to be found on other platforms. Why load moderators with the tasks of filtering porn? If one must watch porn so desperately – why not go to porn sites? I don’t see the point.
I find it better to use my imagination anyway. Not thinking any less of people who want to watch porn, you do you, but I find the industry itself rather appalling. In the end, I don’t see why we’d want to bring all trouble porn entails here.
Because that would end up making a good portion of potential users feel uncomfortable using the site. There is no lack of pornography on the Internet, go look at it elsewhere.
I’m fine with no porn. It gets so tiring seeing porn and pseudo-porn everywhere.
Porn should stay in dedicated instances so it can be blocked. NSFW tagging is unreliable at best.
Agreed. Power to anyone who wants surprise porn intermixed with their memes and tech news, but I’d like the choice to keep that separate without blocking all NSFW content.
I don’t need that while I’m on the train
it’s blocked in your instance, others allow it
I don’t use reddit for p0rn, but the fact is that a lot of reddit users won’t consider lemmy an option unless there’s porn.
Actually, I think it’s important to have one also because it’s better to compartmentalize that shit on its own dedicated instance, anyway.
PSA: WE NEED A PORN INSTANCE. Any takers?
If I had the means, I’d honestly try to run an instance on Tor or something.
And then probably shut it down after a week because how do you deal with all the spam?
Any takers at all? look around
Why write it as p0rn, if there’s no censorship in here?
Do you really want more reddit porn users?
The porn would be on it’s own instance not federated with the common Lemmy servers. So it wouldn’t show up in /all.
Those who want porn would have to actively seek it out by connecting to those instances. More over, if one instance starts allowing unacceptable material, the other instances can blacklist it.
edit: I was wrong. Lemmynsfw is indeed federated.
Would be even better if the porn instances started federating, two horny instances federating might make another instance and then that’s how children are made.
Seems completely unnecessary since there are many porn sites online already. Also it would take quite a lot of server resources since it’s all images and video.
And do we want reddit users who want porn here?
The question isn’t “do we want Reddit users who want porn here?”, but rather “do we want Reddit users who see no value in a space unless it’s full of porn?”.
There should absolute be spaces for sex workers, both online and in meatspace, but maybe the produce aisle still has value even if it’s not surrounded by strippers. And maybe. People want to buy produce sometimes without seeing said strippers.
Now, whether there should be instances that are all sex workers or not is a different, and complicated, question. Sex work is often criminalized, and even the legal forms of it are highly scrutinized. Putting them all in a confined space makes it really easy for authorities who are looking to send a message to unilaterally shut down their infrastructure. We’ve seen it on the Fediverse before. They need some kind of smoke screen in order to be protected from the Delores Umbridges of the world. But that doesn’t mean people who are unable or unwilling to handle the added stress and responsibility needtl to be the ones doing the screening.
The point of Reddit, and now Lemmy by extension, is a sort of link aggregator + comments. As with all content: sure, general sites all exist for that porn, but sometimes if you want more specific categories it’s a lot easier to have community collected content that is sorted.
If someone wishes to spin up an instance for it, so be it. You are welcome to ignore it and not federate with it. That’s the point of the fediverse.
it would take quite a lot of server resources since it’s all images and video
Instance rules could mandate media to be hosted externally. Imgur is out of the question but plenty other services exist.
Go set up your own instance and never raise this subject here again
Not sure why your getting downvoted. That’s the beauty of the fediverse lol
I think its the “never raise this subject here again” Comes off as a bit aggressive.
Absolutely fair, I see that now lol
Never realized this was a lemmy.ml post. Got confused with the downvote there. As beehaw where I’m from has no downvotes.
It’s really cool how it all works. I like beehaw. I have a user on there as well. I started with lemmy.ml so I’ve just been using it more.
Is it really though?
When you say “this site”, do you mean lemmy in general, or lemmy.ml(your home instance)? Because lemmy in general DOES allow nsfw content, its just that no one (to my current knowledge) had been willing to start+moderate a NSFW instance yet. If you think you are up to it, you are more than welcome to spin up your own instance. Just remember you still have to follow all the laws regarding server hosting where you live(or where the server is hosted maybe? Idk I’m not a lawyer).
Thanks for the response. Still learning how lemmy works. I just followed a link I was sent thinking it was lemmy in general and not just this instance.
A great question, porn/sexuality is a great deal for many users (me, included) and Reddit tried to make them go away or at least hide them; I have no idea why is it not allowed in so many Lemmy instances (if not all of them) but I hope that changes in the not so far future, otherwise we’re going to be missing one of the biggest reasons people use Reddit and might not move to a Lemmy instance.
It’s not allowed in a lot of instances because the moderation is absolutely exhausting and sometimes NSFL material.
The only limiting factor here is admins + moderators of an instance willing to put themselves through that.
I have no idea what kind of person wants to do that sort of thing, but they do exist.
Perhaps we should send PMs to all the porn subreddit mods and ask them if they’d be interested in moderating a porn reddit on lemmy?
I’d be curious to know which porn subreddits are scheduled to go dark on the 12th. Are there any reddit porn connoisseurs here that can do that research and let us know which subreddits mods might be upset at reddit and interested in migrating here?
So we need two lists:
- List of porn subreddits with upset mods
- List of lemmy instances that would be down to host some porn communities
It looks like nothing in the sh.itjust.works rules would prohibit this, and for image synthesis specifically there is already a !nsfwai@aiparadise.moe
But I don’t think it’s just about which server wants to have the community. When I post stuff and upload images for the posts, they get URLs on my home server, which is who actually seems to hold the bits, even if I post the post in a community homed elsewhere.
Somebody on reddit had a massively huge list of every sub that’s going dark, both sfw and nsfw. I can’t find it right now though :/
The list is here, but idk which are porn and which are not:
Good. There are lists of NSFW subreddits so you can find the intersect between the two lists, or you could use the GNU utility
curlto query each of the subreddits onold.reddit.com/r/<insert_subreddit_name>, usegrepto isolate responses that redirected tohttps://old.reddit.com/over18?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fold.reddit.com%2Fr%2F<insert_subreddit_name>and then thesedcommand to extract subreddit names only.Edit: Did just that; see my other comment or Reddit mirror for results
I’m sorry but I’m going to have to charge you $20 million for that curl on the reddit site :P
If you go to r/ListOfSubreddits there’s a pinned thread with a REALLY LONG list of NSFW subs, going asking or checking all of them is something that would require time… like, a LOT of time.
For the instances that would be down… I’d really doubt there is one right now, at least the ones I checked just seemed to subscribe to the no NSFW rule.Most lemmy instances are actually NSFW-friendly https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
Nsfw is enabled, but their rules often say no porn
Well now I’m confused, that list says some instances allow NSFW but when you check their instance rules it says they don’t
There’s a difference between “not safe for work” (posts which may involve nudity, drug use, or violence, among other subjects) and outright pornography.
Go to horny jail
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