• Rom [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    This shit is going to pass with full bipartisan support and libs are still going to be confused the next time someone tells them both sides parties are the same.

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      You’re basically outright admitting that “muh both sides” is a right wing talking point.

      But the fact that there are things both sides agree on does not mean both sides are the same.

      It’s like saying that because Hitler and Lincoln both agree that eating shit is a terrible idea, that both republicans and Nazis are the same.

      This is like extremely basic logic.

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        the point is that the democrats are a right wing party, as evidenced by their ongoing funding of war at the expense of their own citizens’ well being.

        this is like extremely basic logic

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          You know two things can be “right wing” and still not the same, right? Both Nazis and Republicans are right wing…but you’re smart enough to realize they aren’t the same, correct?

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            Both Nazis and Republicans are right wing…but you’re smart enough to realize they aren’t the same, correct?

            This comparison really isn’t helping your point lmao

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              Lol yeah I kind of second guessed it based on how stupid people can be and that there would be some people dumb enough to think republicans are equivalent to the Nazis.

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                Sure they’re not literally identical, but both are fascist parties that have more ideological similarities then they do differences. And the Nazi ideology is on record taking inspiration from Jim Crow laws in the US.

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                  Most humans have more ideological similarities than they do differences, so of course that is going to be true, especially when you’re pulling from a group of people who come from extremely similar cultures.

                  But that doesn’t change the fact that there are obvious differences between the two parties on issues that are impactful and important.

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                    Both groups had race science laws, one inspiring the other

                    Well, people are more similar than dissimilar, so of course there are commonalities!

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              Go tell your math teacher that all rectangles are equal to each other because they’re all squares. Lol

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                Yes yes I’m sure there’s an incredible diversity of thought among Nazis. You are very smart for seeing the nuance among monsters.

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                  If you want to make a good argument as to why they are all the same, while there are clear and important distinctions between the two major us parties, I’d love to hear it.

                  But if you are going to make stupid arguments like “they are all the same because they agree on this one thing!” Or “they are all the same like rectangles are all the same!” Then you are going to get called out for it, and pouring on the sarcasm in place of an argument doesn’t make your initial point any less stupid.

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          I knew what you meant and your edit doesn’t change the my point at all.

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              Insta-debunk because when it comes to environmental issues, they are very different and this only lists abortion as a difference.

              Of course, it comes as no surprise that “muh both sides”-ers base their arguments on dishonest cherry picking.

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                This administration has opened up a shitload of new oil drilling, weird lanyard nerds coping

                Not to mention the environmental impact of all these new wars

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                  Not to mention the environmental impact of all these new wars

                  Lol thanks for proving my point that it’s a right wing talking pointing by implicitly blaming the wars on democrats.

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                Earth is still on track to be completely uninhabitable by the end of the century but hey, Dems pay lip service to climate change so kudos to them!

                dishonest cherry picking

                What part of this image is dishonest? Be specific. You clearly didn’t even bother to look very closely at it, since you failed to notice how your “yeah well what about environmental issues smuglord” rebuttal had already been directly addressed by the very diagram you were responding to.

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                  Lol at the smuglord image after posting a sophomoric oversimplified venn diagram while tapping it. You win biggest projection of the day.

                  But no it doesn’t actually address it, it mentions climate change, which is one aspect, and still not correct.

                  But that being said, just last year the Dems passed the inflation reduction act which was the most significant bill in us history to address climate change.

                  But whatever I’m sure is the republicans would have done the same thing.

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                    Lol at the smuglord image after posting a sophomoric oversimplified venn diagram while tapping it. You win biggest projection of the day.

                    Then how about actually addressing the fucking points? If it’s such a “sophomoric oversimplified venn diagram” as you claim, then explain to the class how it’s sophomoric and oversimplified. Engage with the content and stop being such a coward.

                    But that being said, just last year the Dems passed the inflation reduction act

                    Reducing greenhouse gas emissions to 40% below 2005 levels aka too little too late. And Biden opened up a bunch of offshore drilling negating any climate impact that bill might have had. Great job, Democrats.

                    which was the most significant bill in us history to address climate change.

                    You say that like it’s a high bar.

                    But whatever I’m sure is the republicans would have done the same thing.

                    At least the Republicans are up front about how awful they are and don’t pretend to help by pissing on us as they throw more fuel on the fire.

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        The specific combination of factors in the historical formation of U.S. society—dominant “biblical” religious ideology and absence of a workers’ party—has resulted in government by a de facto single party, the party of capital. The two segments that make up this single party share the same fundamental liberalism. Both focus their attention solely on the minority who “participate” in the truncated and powerless democratic life on offer. Each has its supporters in the middle classes, since the working classes seldom vote, and has adapted its language to them. Each encapsulates a conglomerate of segmentary capitalist interests (the “lobbies”) and supporters from various “communities.”

        American democracy is today the advanced model of what I call “low-intensity democracy.” It operates on the basis of a complete separation between the management of political life, grounded on the practice of electoral democracy, and the management of economic life, governed by the laws of capital accumulation. Moreover, this separation is not questioned in any substantial way, but is, rather, part of what is called the general consensus. Yet that separation eliminates all the creative potential found in political democracy. It emasculates the representative institutions (parliaments and others), which are made powerless in the face of the “market” whose dictates must be accepted.

        Samir Amin, Revolution from North to South

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          If the claim was that they were the same in the support of capitalism, the economic system primarily responsible for making us the juggernaut that we are, then I would have not said anything. But when it comes to social, environmental, and how to use (if at all) that generated wealth to support the less fortunate among us, they differ drastically.

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            You are literally doing the second paragraph I quoted in your reply here. You cannot seperate capitalism and the laws of accumulating capital from social and environmental issues. They are intrinsically linked. Just as the second paragraph said, you did not even question this so “seperation”, you just accepted it as the general consensus.

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        Remember when Hitler and Lincoln both signed the “Don’t eat shit” Bill before one lost a war and ate shit while the other won a war and ate shit? Good thing they did, because otherwise your example would be shit.

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          If they agreed on all legislation, then they would be the same. You are correct and I agree.

          But the poster is using agreement on one piece of legislation as evidence they are the same. Surely you are intelligent enough to see the fault in this logic.

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            Your wording had it like qualifying as being the same has nothing to do with agreeing on legislation. This is one piece of legislation, but so is every piece of legislation we discuss one at a time. Its still a piece of supporting evidence.

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              Your wording had it like qualifying as being the same has nothing to do with agreeing on legislation.

              Not my intent, but happy to clear it up.

              Its still a piece of supporting evidence.

              I stand corrected. It’s just terrible evidence that doesn’t even remotely come close to proving the point.

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                  Because it’s so easily shown to be drastically incomplete.

                  It’s like we have two polygons. You say “We have good evidence that they are the same shape because they are both polygons!” Well, sure, that’s one tiny piece of the question. But we have to ask how many sides they have, what the angles are between the sides, how long the sides are in length, etc… It’s terrible to claim you have good evidence they are the same because they are both polygons.

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                    again, we’re only talking about one piece of legislation to begin with. Come back by when something like votes are cast for congress owning stock.