• WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world
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    I’m exhausted from all of this and it’s not even January. How have we reached a point where Nazism is back in vogue?

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      The story of the 21st century has been the repeated and ongoing failure of the western political class.

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        Early 20th century we had the influenza pandemic where a certain part of the population refused to wash hands and wear masks. It also saw the rise of Nazis.

        Early 21th century we had a covid pandemic where a certain part of the population refused to wash hands and wear masks. It also saw the rise of Nazis.

        History sure loves to repeat itself.

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    I wonder if Musk’s heavy right wing position is one of:

    • just him trying to sell more cars (to people who subscribe to right wing positions, as well as left wing people buying them for environmental reasons)
    • fun, seeing how much he personally can fuck things up
    • because Heinlein said in several books that authoritarianism is good for business
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      He was never really liberal, but he had a nasty divorce and went mask off because of it. Same thing happened to Scott Adams. Adams was never really pro worker. He just repeated the stories people would send him and kept doing it because he liked the attention, causing a feedback loop. Musk had that going with the EVs and Mars mission talks. But he kept getting criticism over dates being missed and the divorce cracked him. He then started seeking approval from a less scrupulous group.

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      He gathered the wealth and realized his life is empty and people still cringed when he walked in a room and left in disgust when he spoke. In general, folks on the left, who were more associated with tech until recently, are typically more educated and don’t blindly cheer at catch phrases and bumper stickers without any depth in their support - The right wing does.

      elon wants friends and a dad who will love him, the right wing will pretend as long as the money flows.

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      He’s really just that brain damaged. A couple of weeks ago I read a book about his takeover of Twitter and even his day-to-day behaviors are completely unhinged. He is surrounded by sycophants and weirdos and has lost touch with reality years ago.

      The book is “Character Limit” by Conger and Mac.

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          Yeah, it’s really great journalistic work. The authors talked to a lot of people to get their side of what happened.

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          My local library has it on an app called Libby. You might be able to check it out that way to see if you’re into it. :)

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      Corporations are often the most authoritarian structures on the earth. We just tolerate them for dumb reasons (being told there’s no alternative to capitalism).

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      I was in the market for a new car. And Tesla was not even on my long list of cars to consider, precisely because of Herr Sturmbahnführer Musk.

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      While those might be reasons, he has claimed its because of his trans daughter. It’s a pretty disgusting stance.

      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/09/elon-musks-journey-from-humanitarian-to-poster-of-rightwing-memes

      Emphasis mine below

      According to his biographer, Walter Isaacson, around this period Musk began sending “rightwing memes and conspiracy theories” to Grimes, who replied: “Is this from 4chan or something? You’re actually starting to sound like someone from the far right.”

      At the same time, his daughter Vivian came out as transgender and changed her name, declaring that she no longer wanted to “be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form”.

      Musk himself has cited Vivian as a reason for his political shift, telling the pop psychologist Jordan Peterson that he had “lost [his] son [sic], essentially”, and concluding that his son “is dead, killed by the woke mind virus”.

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      My grandpa should be rolling in his recliner. Instead he’s got fox news on all day.

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      The sad thing is that your grandfathers were sent to fight and die in Europe only when it hurt America’s economic interests.

      This isn’t a knock on your grandfather’s legacy.

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        Why is this man being downvoted? He’s correct. That is the historical reason America got involved.

        There were tens of millions of Americans that supported the Germans/Nazi party, and the rest basically didn’t want to get involved on the world stage again.

        The real evils of the Nazi regime weren’t realized until the last year or so of the war when we pushed in through the incursion areas and saw the camps and horrid treatment/deaths of the “undesirables”. Then it became a true moral outrage that brokered no dissension. Until then, it was because we had 4billion+ in loans to Germany they were repaying us after our costs for WW1, among other financial incentives.

        Claiming otherwise is whitewashing history.

        America has never been a particularly great country. Don’t let the school propaganda fool you. We’ve done things nearly as bad, and in some cases worse, than the Nazi party in our past. But nobody started a world war about it because we kept it within our borders (e.g. the Native American genocide, slavery, etc.).

        I think the individual people who went to war from America in WW2 were doing the right thing, and believed in it for the right reasons. But the people at the top pulling the strings? Financial justifications all the way down.

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          Hitler literally modelled his policies after the American ones, but it’s easier to talk about an absolute evil that sprouted out of nowhere.

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          Is this the new Russian taking point?

          We’re going to ignore Pearl Harbor?

          We’re going to say we’re worse than the Nazis exterminating millions of people and performing live medical experiments on people?

          How do you feel about NATO?

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            Black Americans were experimented on till 1972, for god’s sake. Get off your white horse and realize that America’s been wading oceans of blood.

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    Remember when Kanye “went away” after pro-Hitler comments?

    Let’s see if Musky goes all the way.

    Edit: a ? mark

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    The AfD ist a spark of hope for him, as they want to leave the EU so one less country he doesn’t have to worry about EU rules and regulations.

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      And Germany is the most influential and richest EU country at the moment, so the loss of Germany will be a heavy blow for the EU.

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        It’s not going to be a heavy blow, it’s going to be disastrous. Not only because of the economy, but the infrastructure the country provides. A massive amount of goods is transported through germany on rails and on streets. If we have to start controlling borders and charging money (which is what will happen), it would hurt the entire european union. Now, if italy with it’s rightoid government is having the same idea and leaves the EU (because that’s kinda what rightoids do these days), europe is literally halved in the middle.

        Idk why people think leaving the EU is going to solve our problems, it’s going to literally fuck us in the ass. We can even see what happened with a country that left the EU not even 10 years ago.

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          Idk why people think leaving the EU is going to solve our problems, it’s going to literally fuck us in the ass.

          These far right populist parties would probably leave the EU, if majority of Europeans want to leave. But the majority of Europeans want to remain. What the far-right European parties do instead is adopt the narrative of “fortress Europe”, that immigration should be restrictive and Europe remain “largely European”.

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          Yeah the U.K is currently an Exhibit A for “See why this was a terrible idea?!”

          It’s amazing how these people repeatedly bark for their billionaire masters thinking one day they’ll be worthy of scraps.

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    Shocking.

    Remember when he used to say he was a socialist? And literal morons believed him? It might have been when I realized how stupid and easily swayed most of the population is with obvious and blatant propaganda.

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      He also said he was a “free speech absolutist.” Then he banned the guy who showed the publicly available info about the location of Elon’s private plane. Then he banned the reporters who reported on that.

      And that’s how he started down the road to Twitter as it is now.

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      He is a socialist! He supports the National Socialist German Workers Party!

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      He told it in a joky-way actually, so people that read his surrounding tweets knew he wasn’t without even knowing his politics.

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    I won’t be happy until every article headline written about space Karen refers to him as Adrian Dittmann.

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    This article is still about the recent Welt op-ed. Just so nobody gets the impression, that Elon did something else yesterday.

    Not that any of this excuses the opinions he shared with the world already.

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    I’m not optimistic enough to count on it, but upcoming events might just show a lot of white rural voters that across the board the leaders of these racist movements mostly aren’t even really racist, it’s mostly a grift for profit/power and they’re just exploiting the poor’s ignorance

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      I’d love to have your optimism.

      There have been multiple investigations into finances and employees of high ranking party officials linking them to foreign influence. Changes in popularity? Niet.

      It’s the same as with Trump: “Yes, he us a crook, but he is MY crook”!

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      Look, if you’re “not racist” but are willing to allow or use racism as a means to an end, you’re actually pretty frickin’ racist.

      All the same harm is done.

      “But I don’t believe it in my heart!”

      Wonderful. Do something that mitigates all the harm you’re causing if not improve the lives of the people who are being harmed.

      Can’t do that because it would undermine your process? Time to accept it. You’re a racist.