I just saw the CRT Gameboy one the other day, it was pure art. Subscribed after that lmao

It’s not what they personally believe that most have issues with, it’s how they leverage what’s widely seen as the “official” developer instance. Whether they like it or not or what they say it is or not, it is recognized as such and as the “public face” it should be governed in an unbiased way, or all politics on it should be banished from it.

If they were running a personal instance for their personal politics that didn’t have official Lemmy development and support comms, there would be a LOT more people donating for Lemmy’s development

https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

When they’re off the admin list

And a new, unbiased and fair, team is in place. I’m quite clear about that

Until then, I have recurring donations for PieFed, .world and .cafe

Yes, a comm dedicated to documentation (and the occasional meme) of what they say and do

Here’s a quick recap with a selection of direct evidence links: https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

How do they exploit their position as devs to push their political agenda? Do they add something to the code that gives them some exclusive benefits?

Look at how the .ml instance is positioned. People will hear “That instance is run by the devs and all support and other official development comms are on it” and will automatically gravitate to it and the reputation of Lemmy as a whole becomes tied to it. And other instances are hesitant to defed from it because of that.

So now the devs are in a defacto position of influence, regardless of if they want it or not. Now they have a choice, they can moderate it fairly and unbiased (i.e. not using it to further their personal politics) or separate its day to day operations to another admin team. As another commentator in this thread put it “The devs should do dev work and not mod work, and the admin team should do mod work and not dev work”

They’ve already proven that they cant do the first choice so now the only viable option is the second one, which they’re probably not gonna address.

If you mean they just host their own instance, isn’t it the whole point of Lemmy and what all the other instances are doing? Some even block other instances that do not match their political bias to not ruin their echo chamber. I mean I’m on lemmy.world which probably would be more accurately named lemmy.ultra.left.usa for some time now.

Because of my first point, they tied all sorts of official development stuff to .ml, many instances don’t want to defederate because of that and the perception (it doesn’t really hold when you look at MAUs) that they have the biggest comms on lemmy, it’s almost akin to holding them hostage in my eyes “if you or your mods want official on-lemmy lemmy support, official announcements or access to Lemmys BIGGEST comms then you HAVE to stay federated with us!”

Things would be different if they were just running a personal instance with no official Lemmy anything on it, then it would be much easier for instances to make a defederation decision, just like the rest of the triad

https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

Maybe you should check in with your partner dessalines and your other admin davel then, because there’s a whole lot of modlog entries and anti-Ukraine propaganda spreading with their name on em

Before you do: https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

It’s all documented right there, “smear campaign” means to constantly accuse someone of something knowing they actually didn’t do it for the purpose of ruining their reputation or other consequence like getting fired

If the subject in question is actually doing the things they’re being accused of and can provide evidence then that’s wholly justified

You’re on .world, .world already defederates (Will not accept content, votes or users) from 2/3rds of what’s known as the “Tankie Triad” (.ml, Hexbear and Grad, .world is defeded from grad and hex)

For blocking go-to lemmy.world/settings block tab and scroll to bottom to “instance blocks” and add lemmy.ml

Note: The “block” currently does not function properly, it’s more of a mute, you won’t see .ml comments or posts, but they can see and interact with it

lemmy.cafe defederates from the entire Tankie Triad

I don’t like what they’re doing, they are actively using their positions and instances position of influence to push harmful propaganda, misinformation, censor opinions critical of it and all the while turning a blind/lenient eye to what their users do if they consider them to be ideologically aligned with them.

If they actually surrendered .ml admin duties to a more balanced team that actually allowed non-Tankie mods to well mod, I would reconsider donating.

While I consider their “ideology” to be harmful, if they stopped trying to “infuse” Lemmy with it and separated their work from their personal politics it would satisfy a lot of concerns

That’s the beauty of OSS. You don’t need to speculate conspiracy theories.

The beauty works with software because you can review the code and then compile from source. From there you know without a shred of doubt that the compiled version on your local machine is doing what you saw it would do in the code

That’s not the case with a live website like join-lemmy, sure, the GitHub code checks out, but what guarantee do we have that the code shown on GitHub is what was deployed to the web server without modification? What guarantee is there they aren’t running a modified lemmy.ml backend?

There isn’t any guarantee except trust and I don’t have any trust with Nutomic or dessalines.

Ah, ig the numbers I was remembering was a tad off, still though, if join-lemmy is supposed to be the landing site for forwarding potential new users to then there should not be extreme or controversial instances like .ml, hex or grad either

There seems to be precedent, HC is curiously missing from the line up, if there’s no intent to “punish a specific instance” nor any formal “no instances that are controversial or extreme” rule then HC should be there as well, listed under “Politics” at the very least

I took a look through my archives, and I unfortunately don’t. It’s likely that that happened before I started really screenshotting a lot of what they say and do. You could probably take a look through the Issues on GitHub though

Yea, I closed the page entirely when I switched topics, because I did the politics one closed it to make the post and reopened the link to go back for the all topics one

One was already done, and they said they would adjust it so that it would remove instances that were greater than a certain percentage of the Lemmy user base at large. But it only removed .world, even .ee is still listed and they’re the next biggest. Iirc they even said they would remove .ml, they didn’t.

Frankly, I don’t trust them, the only thing I could trust is an independently run join-lemmy, because the devs of Lemmy has shown, repeatedly, they are unable to separate their personal politics from their work

Here’s from all topics - English - random

3 out of 5 refreshes and one of the top 3 is always hex, grad or .ml, that’s sus AF

It’s particularly bad when you select politics and English, the below were after 4 refreshes with that, choosing all topics and English was more fair, because of the fact theres 600+ instances for it to randomize through, but even then .ml, hex or grad showed up within the top 3 somewhat frequently as if they’re weighted higher.