OmniGlitcher

But don’t do it as a protest. Do it because you don’t want to share that data publicly.

I mean yeah, that’s what I’d do it for. It’s a suggestion for the site and it’s a sentiment that seems to be shared by several people here, but it ultimately falls down to me to decide whether or not I want to continue using it, much the same as with my usage of Reddit.

If you’re worried about people collecting that data, then you shouldn’t have put it in public.

Voting is a core functionality of the site. It’s something I don’t think should be public as it puts more emphasis on what content I interact with in what is now apparently a public manner. If you want to debate that a mere vote is something I shouldn’t put in public, then fine, you do you. But for me, it defeats half the point of me even having an account here. What one comments on are often an incredibly small portion of what one actually votes on simply by ease of voting.

And I know I said “But Reddit…!” is a bad argument earlier, but even so, I’d like to say that even Reddit’s voting is not publicly accessible (as in not accessible by other users, even if Reddit almost certainly collects and sells such data), so clearly there should be ways to do it. If ActivityPub requires public voting and the people who have the ability to change it are unwilling or even unable to do so, then fair enough. But equally, I will refrain from contributing to such a site, which seems like a bit of a shame when it seems close to ideal otherwise.

You’d have to change the specification there. That is possible but it will take some time.

Then they should do so, these issues need to be fixed ASAP.

Still you’d need a way to make votes not bound to a user and still hard to spoof.

Obfuscating user IDs via a hash or something would seem like the way to make it work. I’m not a professional programmer, I only know a little bit of python, so I have no idea if I’m talking nonsense on that front. And whilst still not an ideal solution, but sharing non-private votes with your own instance admin and have them share only the total vote count with other instances is another solution. That way you need only trust your instance admin, which is choosable and can also be yourself.

That is what it means. If you have one then go ahead.

Putting the onus on me is a shitty thing to do. I’m not the one running this site in any capacity, but this is an issue that many users are unhappy with. If the issue with the site won’t or even can’t be fixed, then I will simply not use the site. I don’t know how many people feel the same on that front, but I’d imagine there’s quite a few.

Agreed, I am incredibly confused by what seems to be the majority reaction to this.

I’ve never been particularly involved with the FOSS community, though I do use a few FOSS apps and generally appreciate their view on what FOSS means. I also strongly appreciate data privacy, and it was my observation that the FOSS community was (generally) relatively the same way. So to see this reaction is very surprising. It’s quite literally the same terrible argument of “Why fear it if you have nothing to hide” used against multiple data privacy concerns throughout the years.

I think the worst are the bad faith “But Reddit…!” arguments. For one, we’re not on Reddit anymore, this is about Lemmy’s issues that can be corrected. And for two, whilst Reddit potentially outsourcing that data to the highest bidder is far from ideal, at the very least the data wasn’t outright PUBLIC to anyone who wishes to set up a simple server.

Ah yes, because the practical option is to be constantly switching accounts and instances based on what you want to look at for 5 minutes each.

My logic behind joining lemmy.world was that defederation may be an issue, current or future, therefore it made sense to join the one that for one has the most people, and for two is the least likely to be defederated or randomly defederate others.

Granted, I believe beehaw did in fact defederate .world, and I think it was not long after, so maybe I did choose poorly.

I was tempted to join feddit.uk, but I wasn’t sure if that would put the unnecessary identifier of “This guy’s probably British!” on me everywhere I go.

do the rules apply to the instance where you have your account, or to the instance where you’re posting/commenting?

That is essentially what I was asking. It kind of seems like it’s both, but I’m no fediverse expert.

I guess it really just depends how much of a stickler the lemmy.world mods are, and/or if they have any way of finding out I’m linking to stuff like that.

Not sure where to ask this, so I’ll ask here. Linking to pirate sites (not content) is okay here as I understand it. However my account is with Lemmy.world, which in its “rules” specifically states “Protect our community from harassment, malicious or illegal content”. Would I technically be at the whim of Lemmy.world by linking to pirate sites, or do I have some leeway here?

In no particular order:

• The CEO Spez decided to edit comments that were directed at insulting him to insult that subreddit’s moderators instead (it was a Trump subreddit, but even so), with no indication that the comments had been edited.

• Reddit’s redesign, barely anyone who used the old design likes the new one. At least they kept the old one.

• Removal of exact Upvote/Downvote numbers like we have here only giving an overall “score”. Later followed by obfuscation of the true value, supposedly due to bot vote manipulation.

• The “jailbait” subreddit, which featured images of girls who looked close to being or actually underage, and some likely WERE underage, was allowed to exist for an extended peiod of time. Reddit also gave the guy that ran it “a gold-plated bobblehead doll “for making significant contributions to the site.”” reportedly.

• Installed an interim CEO, Ellen Pao, who was there solely to take the blame for some controversial changes like banning some fairly popular if not great subreddits. It was later revealed that wasn’t even her decision.

• Ellen Pao was also put under fire for supposedly firing Victoria Taylor, who is a very connected individual and was responsible for many of the site’s celebrity/notable people AMAs (Ask Me Anything), including guiding them through the interface and what not so they could capably deliver said AMAs. She was actually fired by Alexis Ohanian, who is one of the founders of Reddit, has worked there on and off, and is currently Executive Chairman from what I can see.

• That time Reddit as a community decided to hold a witchhunt over the Boston Marathon bombings and misidentified the culprit. Not really the admins fault technically, but it could perhaps have been prevented by them.

• The rampant issues with bots, most of Reddit’s top posts of the day and their initial comments are entirely reposted content by bots. Very little seems to be done to remove them.

• Also the rampant issues with power users and power moderators. Why exactly can one individual be put in charge of hundreds of semi-popular/popular subreddits?

• In addition to the site redesign, the implementation of things like a chat function on top of the DM function, NFTs, Reddit Premium, different rewards and tiers other than Gold (Reddit Silver used to be a joke for those who didn’t want to do Gold), online statuses, avatars, coins, and probably some other stuff I’m forgetting, were all generally unwanted. Most didn’t cause that much of a controversy, but I don’t know anybody who wouldn’t be happier if they were gone.

Probably something else I’m forgetting, but that’s what I remember most.

Is this really a surprise to anyone? Github isn’t exactly a piracy friendly site.

“How about 10 tomorrow?” typically refers to the time, probably 10am in this case. However it can also be interpreted as “How about 10 coffees tomorrow?”.

I also think there’s an element of time spent with Reddit. For some of us who’ve been with the site for over a decade, this is the last straw with Reddit. For many others, its their first incident.

I heard mention of it occasionally, but that was also years after the initial move from Digg, so I can’t comment on what it was like first hand during the initial move time.

However, I don’t think anyone viewed Reddit as a “spite site” for Digg, Reddit was around for years and was semi-popular before Digg committed suicide. It was simply the natural move.

Lemmy on the other hand has been around for a little bit, since 2019 as far as I can tell, but a rather minimal userbase.

Certainly if we get to the point where Lemmy (and its current userbase at minimum) sticks around for a few more years, it’ll likely largely move past the whole Reddit fiasco. But it also needs a large variety of non-reddit-related content to interest users, otherwise this site will likely die before it gets there.

Yeah, I’m so angry about it I’m ready to implode.

Possibly an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think Lemmy should be viewed as “spite sites”. If the entire focus of the community here is to point and laugh at Reddit’s failures, rather than actually provide an adequate site’s worth of unique content, people will quickly get tired of it and leave.

Of course, it’s the hot topic at the moment so it’s understandable, but I hope we’ll move away from it at some point.