Unlikely, yes. More likely an implementation of principles in ways we just don’t have reference for in documentation, we just discovered that Roman concrete was mixed hot with quick lime. This shit always seems crazy until we figure it out.

Although I don’t see anyone saying there were as low as 1,600 workers on the great pyramid. So you right to question that one.

Actually I bet this is where that number came from lol:

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna46485163

I’m not even sure where you’ve developed that strawman from what the dude said, his original statement or his future back and forth with you. He said that the brute force argument isn’t the best one based on research like the water experimentation on dry sand. That doesn’t mean they didn’t use brute force in labor, just that it may have been supplemented by techniques we’re still investigating. He’s not saying they used magic.

Now we know they not only had a easy source of water, we know they had enough water to supplement the power of human labor. You just really wanted to argue so you focused on whatever points you could find disagreement.

The whole argument is based on you really wanting to be unequivocally right about your understanding of how something was built when the article you posted is about a literal groundbreaking discovery that may change our understanding of how it was built. Just seems silly on this one I guess.

Yeah, if that’s your take away I guess posting a pictograph and saying “nuh uh” being the crux of your argument on a body of study who’s modern history goes back to sprinkling mummy dust on your breakfast makes perfect sense.

Keep up this good!

I think you might be one of those expert on everything types, it works really well with political garbage, but when you’re talking about historical studies of the Egyptian old kingdom that they base on modern calculations of physics using pictographs as a reference… Like it’s just sounds silly I guess.

You are arguing for a heterodox interpretation of labor based on pictures drawn by the ruling party that has potentially tens of thousands of people building a giant stone monument, when modern scientists JUST discovered a river they only JUST realized might be there.

Like you just really really need to be right about a field of study that’s had like 15 sea changes over the last couple hundred years. It’s odd!

Wow, you really got bodied in this debate. This dude came with actual info and you kinda went full debate bro on him.

I’m sure I’ll see you picking up some wins in another thread.

I’ve heard this argument before so many times now it’s weird. They (the person you are going back and forth with for example) 100% agree that Israel is taking all the actions. They are killing civilians, creating a situation in which food and aid are both dangerous and inconsistent, and use AI to specifically target family homes with large numbers of civilians.

The civilian casualties aren’t high because Hamas used human shields to make it high, it’s high because the IDF allowed for and made specific rules that targeting civilians was ok en masse, as collateral damage, using Lavender.

Hamas didn’t make Israel pursue this war in a way that was purposely destructive towards civilians. Israel chose to do this at every turn in reaction to Oct 6th. Israel has all the power in this situation to do things differently.

It’s not like I don’t get, I would want revenge too, but at some point they’re going to be forced to admit that the pain to the civilians is part of the point. And that their ACTUAL argument is that the civilians deserve it because of Hamas.

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Yeah… It’s not exactly an auspicious group of people with an excellent humanitarian record. Who’s next? Erdogan, Lukashenko, the Kim’s… the zombie of Mussolini?

They’re disagreeing with his interpretation of the meme. It’s really not a big deal!

The down arrow here is nakedly a “I disagree” button, you really don’t have to take it as an indictment.

You are totally ignorant to how odd and out of place your comments seem to people reading them. You came in with a strange non sequitur that wasn’t really relevant to the discussion at all, then got all weird when people engaged you on it, like your version of whatever was going on here didn’t happen.

You are the odd one out here! It was fun to read tho.

Right, like who do you think is providing the other side of this opinion? The fucking media. What is this magic “other” media that needs to step in?

Media outlets have been either totally co-opted by the types of organizations they are supposed to blow the whistle on or they are nakedly partisan in order to have a reliable audience.

The call is coming from inside the fucking house, lady!

Man if only he has a boat! https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a21421/elon-musk-model-s-boat/

People in South Korea are not regularly bombed in rocket attacks, SK does not require houses have steel-reinforced concrete bunkers.

The last time a North Korean killed a South Korean was a long time ago, I don’t know that I would call these situations comparable.

If NK did start shelling Seoul and attacking civilians near the DMZ, that would legitimately be unexpected.

Everyday, memento mori, remember thou art mortal.

I worked with Kronos, had their top tier biometrics in a 1,000+ employee company.

1. The data is only as good as the person loading the data.

2. Some people don’t have good fingerprints.

It was bad enough that of you had a person with a bad fingerprint, Kronos would just take ANY input. It would even tell you if a persons fingerprint wasn’t good enough. It happened fucking constantly.

So either it’s so good you can’t escape it, it is so bad you can’t use it to identify anyone uniquely. It’s literally either a threat or an inconvenience.

Damn, that’s a deep cut type of joke, I love it!

That’s fair, I shouldn’t say pro musk, just researched and cited, multiparagraph long comments relating to the topic. I like specifically looking at comments that are either neutral or indifferent to something bad.

That’s the kinda shit where marketing and propaganda meet, politics and the sort of parasocial link to between people and corporations and billionaires.

Everyone just came from already having this argument somewhere else, they’ve already thought about or discussed it enough to be able to fire off relevant, cited information. I mean including me, right?

No I’m just always amazed that you seem to have come from having this argument already fully prepared.

You can use current data, but if you are ignoring every bit of information that an investor would look at over a period of multiple financial cycles, you wouldn’t exactly be as bullish on the value and market share in comparison to other US makers who are increasing deliverables and aren’t having the same consistent QC issues.

In addition, Elon is currently leaching value from Tesla to prop up his other ventures. I will be much more invested in Tesla once the board replaces him, which as a lay person I’m guessing they’re gonna do in the next year.

Especially now that JB is back on the board. When they voted Straubel back in, Elon’s days were numbered imo.

I’m always amazed at the amount of well researched pro musk comments pop up under things like this.

I see at least two multi paragraph, cited comments including yours on this thread. Amazing how fast y’all can just fire these huge sets of data off like that!

Before you go cumming over those financials, Tesla is currently slowly losing EV market share as other US producers bring on their vehicles https://www.axios.com/2023/04/05/tesla-ev-electric-vehicle-adoption.

In addition, worldwide BYD is either outselling Tesla or about to outsell Tesla depending on the vehicle type! All that after being laughed off as competition by Musk. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/02/07/tesla-1-in-world-bev-sales-by-big-margin-2022-world-ev-sales-report/

The American market loss is a matter of time as the larger auto makers being additional vehicles into the market, the global market loss has been written in stone for years now.

I don’t know you man, I don’t know what you’re life is about, but I hope you have people in you life you can seriously talk to about feelings like that.

Your hobbies don’t define you, there’s no such thing as wasted time. Shit your entire collection could have been peer pressure or competitive in nature, and you just lost your fizz when you primary foil moved on. That doesn’t mean the time you spent is worth any less, or didn’t contribute to your life in some meaningful way.

Is it normal to have a midlife crisis at 30ish, fucking absolutely! You’ll have many crisises, you’ve probably already had crisis in the past, you’ll continue to have crisis in the future. You would be a terribly uninteresting person if you didn’t.

If selling some or all of your collection would make a positive difference in your life, and you’re questioning why you even have them, then yeah, sell some. You probably won’t regret it, those items will continue to have a life and be valued by someone else. But if the thought of selling hurts too much, then it’s not time yet. That’s ok too.

Just give yourself a break!