One thing Reddit dominates on is search results. I’m looking things up and seeing so many links to reddit, which I guess is going to help keep that place relevant (unless those subreddits stay dark).
I wondered how Lemmy and this fed thingy stuff all works for that? With more posts can we expect to see people arriving through search results?
There’s a lot of things that factor into the answer, but I think overall it’s gonna be pretty random. Some instances are on domains without “Lemmy” in the name, some don’t include “Lemmy” in the site name configuration, and in the case of some like my own instance, I set the
X-Robots-Tagresponse header such that search engines that properly honor the header won’t crawl or index content on my instance. I’ve actually taken things a step further with mine and put all public paths except for the API endpoints behind authentication (so that Lemmy clients and federation still work with it), so you can’t browse my instance content without going through a proper client for extra privacy. But that goes off-topic.Reddit was centralized so could be optimized for SEO. Lemmy instances are individually run with different configuration at the infrastructure level and the application configuration level, which if most people leave things fairly vanilla, should result in pretty good discovery of Lemmy content across most of these kinds of instances, but I would think most people technical enough to host their own instances would have deviated from defaults and (hopefully) implemented some hardening, which would likely mess with SEO.
So yeah, expect it to be pretty random, but not necessarily unworkable.
Your “off-topic” sounded pretty cool to me! I love that that is something anyone can do when hosting a lemmy instance. You get to choose if it’s searchable on the web! Obviously there are search engines which ignore the no scraping/indexing header, but the rest of what you did should counteract that, noice.
Yeah, if you’re running something yourself, you can do pretty much whatever you want in order to protect it. Especially if it’s behind a reverse proxy. Firewalls are great for protecting ports, but reverse proxies can be their own form of protection, and I don’t think a lot of people associate them with “protection” so much. Why expose paths (unauthenticated) that don’t need to be? For instance, in my case with my Lemmy instance, all any other instance needs is access to the
/apipath which I leave open. And all the other paths are behind basic authentication which I can access, so I can still use the Lemmy web interface on my own instance if I want to. But if I don’t want others browsing to my instance to see what communities have been added, or I don’t want to give someone an easy glance into what comments or posts my profile has made across all instances (for a little more privacy), then I can simply hide that behind the curtain without losing any functionality.It’s easy to think of these things when you have relevant experience with web development, debugging web applications, full stack development, and subject matter knowledge in related areas, if you have a tendency to approach things with a security-oriented mindset. I’m not trying to sound arrogant, but honestly my professional experience has a lot to do with how my personal habits have formed around my hobbies. So I have a tendency to take things as far as I can with everything that I know, and stuff like this is the result lol. Might be totally unnecessary without much actual value, but it errs on the side of “a little more secure”, and why not, if it’s fun?
I’d be interested in how you did this, this seems like one of the best ways I’ve seen for securing a lemmy instance.
I have a single Nginx container that handles reverse proxying of all my selfhosted services, and I break every service out into its own configuration file, and use
includedirectives to share common configuration across them. For anyone out there with Nginx experience, my Lemmy configuration file should make it fairly clear in terms of how I handle what I described above:server { include ssl_common.conf; server_name lm.williampuckering.com; set $backend_client lemmy-ui:1234; set $backend_server lemmy-server:8536; location / { set $authentication "Authentication Required"; include /etc/nginx/proxy_nocache_backend.conf; if ($http_accept = "application/activity+json") { set $authentication off; set $backend_client $backend_server; } if ($http_accept = "application/ld+json; profile=\"https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams\"") { set $authentication off; set $backend_client $backend_server; } if ($request_method = POST) { set $authentication off; set $backend_client $backend_server; } auth_basic $authentication; auth_basic_user_file htpasswd; proxy_pass http://$backend_client; } location ~* ^/(api|feeds|nodeinfo|.well-known) { include /etc/nginx/proxy_nocache_backend.conf; proxy_pass http://$backend_server; } location ~* ^/pictrs { proxy_cache lemmy_cache; include /etc/nginx/proxy_cache_backend.conf; proxy_pass http://$backend_server; } location ~* ^/static { proxy_cache lemmy_cache; include /etc/nginx/proxy_cache_backend.conf; proxy_pass http://$backend_client; } location ~* ^/css { proxy_cache lemmy_cache; include /etc/nginx/proxy_cache_backend.conf; proxy_pass http://$backend_client; } }It’s definitely in need of some clean-up (for instance, there’s no need for multiple location blocks that do the same thing for caching, a single expression can handle all of the ones with identical configuration to reduce the number of lines required), but I’ve been a bit lazy to clean things up. However it should serve as a good example and communicate the general idea of what I’m doing.