Maybe you’re new here, but fascism and liberalism are two sides of the capitalist coin. Liberals stopped masking almost the instant Biden set foot in the White House, despite the fact that 2/3 of covid deaths occurred while Biden was office (liberals will also excuse Biden’s “inaction” while claiming that Trump, who occupied the same office, was a tyrannical authoritarian totalitarian dictator who ran roughshod over the hallowed institutions of our precious democracy). Capitalism is a death cult, workers should run the world, not bourgeois scum and their running dogs.
Biden’s been in office 2.5x as long as US covid was a thing under Trump.
I agree Biden has decided to throw some lives in the chipper to keep REITs and employers happy, but the “twice as many deaths under Biden” stat is empty ragecalories.
Im not sure; while fascism is certainly the logical conclusion of lieralism. And we can observe so in the protofascist regimes in early 20th century mexico and turkey. i think liberalism is paraphiletic to fascism sort of like reptiles are to birds. The material conditions that enable one over the other are distinct enough, and the core ideological asumptions seem to be different.
fascism as an ideology is still at it’s core a defense of capitalism. liberalism has many flavors but it includes everything that exists to support, reinforce, and defend the capitalist project. fascism is only different in that the violence liberalism wreaks in the colonies are turned inwards, towards the nations of the imperial core. but violence itself is a central pillar of all ideologies and it does not differentiate liberalism from fascism.
I don’t know. I tried to look it up and see, but all I got was this
https://www.hmmsa.org/the-journey-through-nazism-to-liberation
So, if that was supposed to be some gotcha moment, you might want to include your sources so that I can actually see and read whatever the hell you’re going on about. I honestly don’t care enough to keep replying to you.
What…? Capitalism is fucking stupid too. I only believe in technocracy so… you’re trying to make… a point… or something? Anyway, as I replied to the other little butthurt fascist, I don’t care enough to keep replying so.
It’s actually embarrassing seeing what garbage the human race has produced where we actively try to regress instead of progress… but yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart. 😂
It’s actually embarrassing seeing what garbage the human race has produced where we actively try to regress instead of progress… but yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart. 😂
Welcome, stupid! Nowhere in my comments did I say I was against mask wearing, and I am actually for it and do it in my own life. Reading comprehension is hard. :(
between your casual disdain for the lives of disabled people and your love of eugenicist rhetoric, i don’t think you understand how little your opinion matters to me, nazi scumfuck
despite the fact that 2/3 of covid deaths occurred while Biden was office
yea yea fuck capitalism, eat the rich, etc., but this “statistic” is disingenuously presented. The pandemic has existed for much more of Biden’s elected years than Trump’s. If your only criterion is that we’ll pretend both prezs were equally apathetic (they weren’t). Do we have to count the years for you? Don’t let ideology make you forget basic arithmetic.
The pandemic has existed for much more of Biden’s elected years than Trump’s.
Wow I wonder how that could be 🤔. It’s almost as though Biden’s covid “policy” has been criminally ineffective! He can’t even claim credit for the development of the vaccines, since Operation Warp Speed began under Trump!
Biden said that he would listen to the scientists, but forgot to add that they would be eugenicists 😉
Biden literally said it was up to the states to deal with…which is partly what liberals were upset with trump for–not having a cohesive federal response
Nothing disingenuous about it. Biden’s entire shtick was about following the science and doing the right thing (and being able to win over Republicans on controversial issues, that was the whole reason why we couldn’t gamble on anyone else) and he almost immediately tossed that out and adopted his predecessor’s “ignore it and it’ll go away” attitude. The White House pushed a vax-only approach which was proven to be ineffective before he even took office and then went out to brunch. For fuck’s sake, the man had to be publicly shamed into sending out masks and tests during a surge his feckless ass engendered because he pretended the pandemic was over in April 2021, when less than half of the adult population got their first round of shots.
I’d be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering how poorly even the states that did give half a fuck in 2020 were managing and there is no doubt that it is a complex job, but once you start mimicking the guy you lambasted a few months prior for exacerbating the problem (not to mention spending the next year and a half prematurely stripping people of basic protections and the ability to reliably test and track within their own communities), you lost what little sympathy I could muster. For all intents and purposes, he owns all of the deaths from the day he stepped into the Oval Office. Worst of all, it’s both set the tone for how future leaders will be able to respond to crises, as well as reinforced the notion that our government is ontologically incapable of providing anything for its own citizens besides more terror.
As for which one of these shitstains is more apathetic: Trump gave me more cash (and it wasn’t means-tested), suspended my student loan payments, afforded me a rent moratorium if I had lost my job, and didn’t end federal mask or testing mandates for traveling because his buddy at Delta Airlines whined to him in a letter. Nothing spells “apathy” like going on 60 Minutes amid yet another surge in cases and saying “the pandemic is over,” or cutting off extended UI prematurely, or instructing cities to use their unused Covid funds to give to the pigs.
If Trump was smart enough to even utter the words “wear a mask” at any point in 2020 he would still be in office today. This is not an endorsement, for the record. I don’t doubt Trump would have done all of this and worse eventually as well, but the difference is that his callousness was consistently met with resistance and vocal opposition. For Joe Biden, whose callousness is every bit as harmful, there is no effective resistance, no organized campaign to combat the president’s anti-science blathering. We all have to get over it and live even more precariously in this shithole lest we be accused of helping Trump win again.
Trump was actually very pro mask at the beginning of the pandemic until the CDC told him they didn’t have enough stock for everyone. The CDC first said not to mask up so that they could secure enough supplies for government workers. This is all recorded fact.
it was before the right turned it into a culture war issue. the CDC, then as repeatedly since, has blood on their hands - we knew it was an airborne respiratory illness and still they put out bad public policy that backfired tremendously.
The people pointing out both sides have dogshit covid policy are not the ones not being apathetic. It’s the liberals who all went back to brunch and demanded everything re-open.
Gaslighting is telling people that Covid isn’t a threat even though you know it’s not and you deliberately cooked the books to sell that delusion. Gaslighting is telling people you’re supposed to be responsible for governing that a vaccine that was never shown to stop the spread of a disease does, in fact, do that. Gaslighting is telling people that you must personally assess your own risk to a collective, public health crisis with the paltry tools that have been provided, then strip away or sabotage every last one of those tools so they cannot provide even a sliver of usefulness to anyone but the most bad faith interpretations.
All of these things are things both Amerikkka’s fascist wing and liberal, fascist-enabling wing have done and are currently doing (if they’re not outright ignoring it). To anyone with a pulse, there is no meaningful difference, and indeed they are so often intertwined.
You’re gaslighting. His post was bookended with political critiques on how fascism and liberalism are the same thing, with a poor attempt to use COVID to prove his point.
Also, he’s a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it’s produced countless fascist regimes.
i think one of the aspects of fascism that really freaks out liberals is that fascism is the return of the policies they (casually or explicitly) support overseas to their homes and applied to them and their neighbors. i was reading that post-colonial analysis excerpt about how hitler did to the core what “heroic” churchill and his predecessors had been doing to india and other peoples/nations for decades. libs avoid any material analysis of the core/periphery or fascism because the connections make it obvious libs have no trouble enjoying the fruits of evil done elsewhere to secure markets, but bringing those same methods of repression and control home is the unspeakably evil act of a madman.
the idea that their poorly-interrogated political project creates and necessitates the very monster they fear is too much to grapple with for some.
I don’t know how you came to leftist politics, but it seems like a more enlightened road than I took. You give liberals way too much credit to attribute a kind of motivation that requires a functional knowledge of modern empire.
Also, he’s a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it’s produced countless fascist regimes.
Remind me who funded the Nazis before WW2 began and then rescued them at its end. Then remind me who was conquering Berlin while Hitler was committing suicide.
he’s a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it’s produced countless fascist regimes.
Ironic, you should probably space out your protests about gaslighting a bit from your own fabrication of history.
It was third-way anti-communists who were the the base of movements that turned into fascist governments and it was Marxists that famously liberated Europe from that fascism.
Regardless, liberals broadly have enforced covid policy that is extremely harmful to people with disabilities. That’s essentially an admission that their right to participate in society is measured by their ‘value’, that dealing with a pandemic properly has to take a back seat to what’s good for the economy.
There’s more than two political ideologies. The person you’re replying to isn’t talking about American political parties.
There’s a lot of history and theory about how different ideologies, especially liberalism and fascism, interact with each other. This is what they were making reference to.
The fact that we care about life more than the blood altar of capital tends to make it easy to find us. And remember: losing ideological battles online is but a prelude to losing such battles in the real world.
Edit: imagine thinking that voting every few years for bourgeois puppets equals democracy. Real democracy is practiced in every home, school, and workplace every day by every person. Liberals don’t want to hear this, though, because they tend to do poorly when everyone everywhere is able and willing to participate in a truly democratic society 😉
If you want to really see how democratic the USA is, try forming a union in your workplace. Try protesting in a way that inconveniences capital. Try going to a city when you have no money or connections. Try speaking publicly about how Biden has given $75 billion+ to Ukrainian Nazis. Then see just how amazing and democratic life in the USA really is.
And yes, both sides are definitely bad, as evidenced by the fact that by any objective measure, everything in the USA is worse than it was when Trump was president. But thankfully there’s a third side called Marxism. If it didn’t work and it was really such a failure, then you wouldn’t be panicking daily about China’s rise. And if China is not actually communist, I assume you would have no issue with the CPC taking over the USA, since the result would be the same, right? Whatever human rights issues they supposedly have pale in comparison to the multiple ongoing genocides perpetrated by the USA’s ruling class. The Iraq War alone—supported by both American liberals and fascists—is far worse than anything the Nazis in the CIA say that China has done.
This is “both sides are bad” bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don’t listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!
Biden has been in office for almost four years. Abortion was banned under his watch. He could have prevented it by expanding the supreme court - he chose not to. He chose to let thousands of women suffer and die.
Student loan forgiveness was promised by Biden - a promise he failed to deliver. Again, expanding the supreme court could have prevented this.
Biden has done absolutely nothing to stand up to the military-industrial complex. He pulled out of Afghanistan, then almost immediately began sending billions in “lethal aid” to Ukraine.
Biden has upheld the deportation laws at the Mexican border that Trump put in place. He is actively choosing to do that!
I don’t understand how any rational person can look at Biden and say he’s doing anything even slightly left-wing. He is not. Objective reality shows is that both sides (Democrats and Republicans) ARE the same because they are DOING the same thing. Ideology says they are different. Reality says they are the same. If you believe they are different, you are valuing ideology over reality.
Its not a both sides are bad. Its an academic discussion about the genealogy of facism. And when you look at protofacist regimes like the young turks its very clear their ideology has a basis in liberalism.
Man I was reading his comment and I was like what is this whataboutism nonsense he’s talking about, then it made sense when I read your comment. Guess I gotta start looking at usernames again before reading comments
Maybe you’re new here, but fascism and liberalism are two sides of the capitalist coin. Liberals stopped masking almost the instant Biden set foot in the White House, despite the fact that 2/3 of covid deaths occurred while Biden was office (liberals will also excuse Biden’s “inaction” while claiming that Trump, who occupied the same office, was a tyrannical authoritarian totalitarian dictator who ran roughshod over the hallowed institutions of our precious democracy). Capitalism is a death cult, workers should run the world, not bourgeois scum and their running dogs.
Biden’s been in office 2.5x as long as US covid was a thing under Trump.
I agree Biden has decided to throw some lives in the chipper to keep REITs and employers happy, but the “twice as many deaths under Biden” stat is empty ragecalories.
Im not sure; while fascism is certainly the logical conclusion of lieralism. And we can observe so in the protofascist regimes in early 20th century mexico and turkey. i think liberalism is paraphiletic to fascism sort of like reptiles are to birds. The material conditions that enable one over the other are distinct enough, and the core ideological asumptions seem to be different.
fascism as an ideology is still at it’s core a defense of capitalism. liberalism has many flavors but it includes everything that exists to support, reinforce, and defend the capitalist project. fascism is only different in that the violence liberalism wreaks in the colonies are turned inwards, towards the nations of the imperial core. but violence itself is a central pillar of all ideologies and it does not differentiate liberalism from fascism.
You’re such a fucking idiot. 😂
Reliance on ableist insults reveals a casual comfort with eugenics 😉
Right. Sugar coat it however you want, sweetheart, but you’re talking like a fucking moron. 😂
If I had to inhabit your brain, I would look for ways to turn it off
And I would love to shut off the brains of all the people who follow and love fascist scum, but they’ve already done that for me so. :(
Which countries funded and supported the Nazis and which country liberated Auschwitz?
I don’t know. I tried to look it up and see, but all I got was this https://www.hmmsa.org/the-journey-through-nazism-to-liberation So, if that was supposed to be some gotcha moment, you might want to include your sources so that I can actually see and read whatever the hell you’re going on about. I honestly don’t care enough to keep replying to you.
Yet here you are
Fascism is when you raise an eyebrow at the idea that capitalism has existed since the dawn of time.
What…? Capitalism is fucking stupid too. I only believe in technocracy so… you’re trying to make… a point… or something? Anyway, as I replied to the other little butthurt fascist, I don’t care enough to keep replying so.
What the hell is technocracy? Is it when everyone gives daddy elon a blowjob?
it must be embarrassing to be a child amongst adults
It’s actually embarrassing seeing what garbage the human race has produced where we actively try to regress instead of progress… but yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart. 😂
It’s actually embarrassing seeing what garbage the human race has produced where we actively try to regress instead of progress… but yeah, whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart. 😂
Ah yes, not wearing masks is progress
Welcome, stupid! Nowhere in my comments did I say I was against mask wearing, and I am actually for it and do it in my own life. Reading comprehension is hard. :(
between your casual disdain for the lives of disabled people and your love of eugenicist rhetoric, i don’t think you understand how little your opinion matters to me, nazi scumfuck
yea yea fuck capitalism, eat the rich, etc., but this “statistic” is disingenuously presented. The pandemic has existed for much more of Biden’s elected years than Trump’s. If your only criterion is that we’ll pretend both prezs were equally apathetic (they weren’t). Do we have to count the years for you? Don’t let ideology make you forget basic arithmetic.
Wow I wonder how that could be 🤔. It’s almost as though Biden’s covid “policy” has been criminally ineffective! He can’t even claim credit for the development of the vaccines, since Operation Warp Speed began under Trump!
Biden said that he would listen to the scientists, but forgot to add that they would be eugenicists 😉
Biden literally said it was up to the states to deal with…which is partly what liberals were upset with trump for–not having a cohesive federal response
Nothing disingenuous about it. Biden’s entire shtick was about following the science and doing the right thing (and being able to win over Republicans on controversial issues, that was the whole reason why we couldn’t gamble on anyone else) and he almost immediately tossed that out and adopted his predecessor’s “ignore it and it’ll go away” attitude. The White House pushed a vax-only approach which was proven to be ineffective before he even took office and then went out to brunch. For fuck’s sake, the man had to be publicly shamed into sending out masks and tests during a surge his feckless ass engendered because he pretended the pandemic was over in April 2021, when less than half of the adult population got their first round of shots.
I’d be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering how poorly even the states that did give half a fuck in 2020 were managing and there is no doubt that it is a complex job, but once you start mimicking the guy you lambasted a few months prior for exacerbating the problem (not to mention spending the next year and a half prematurely stripping people of basic protections and the ability to reliably test and track within their own communities), you lost what little sympathy I could muster. For all intents and purposes, he owns all of the deaths from the day he stepped into the Oval Office. Worst of all, it’s both set the tone for how future leaders will be able to respond to crises, as well as reinforced the notion that our government is ontologically incapable of providing anything for its own citizens besides more terror.
As for which one of these shitstains is more apathetic: Trump gave me more cash (and it wasn’t means-tested), suspended my student loan payments, afforded me a rent moratorium if I had lost my job, and didn’t end federal mask or testing mandates for traveling because his buddy at Delta Airlines whined to him in a letter. Nothing spells “apathy” like going on 60 Minutes amid yet another surge in cases and saying “the pandemic is over,” or cutting off extended UI prematurely, or instructing cities to use their unused Covid funds to give to the pigs.
If Trump was smart enough to even utter the words “wear a mask” at any point in 2020 he would still be in office today. This is not an endorsement, for the record. I don’t doubt Trump would have done all of this and worse eventually as well, but the difference is that his callousness was consistently met with resistance and vocal opposition. For Joe Biden, whose callousness is every bit as harmful, there is no effective resistance, no organized campaign to combat the president’s anti-science blathering. We all have to get over it and live even more precariously in this shithole lest we be accused of helping Trump win again.
Trump was actually very pro mask at the beginning of the pandemic until the CDC told him they didn’t have enough stock for everyone. The CDC first said not to mask up so that they could secure enough supplies for government workers. This is all recorded fact.
it was before the right turned it into a culture war issue. the CDC, then as repeatedly since, has blood on their hands - we knew it was an airborne respiratory illness and still they put out bad public policy that backfired tremendously.
Oh, look, a HexBear dipshit in the wild! I wonder how we can figure them out so easily!
This is “both sides are bad” bullshit, a destructive force from apathetic people. Don’t listen to this shit. Vote every year, twice a year!
The people pointing out both sides have dogshit covid policy are not the ones not being apathetic. It’s the liberals who all went back to brunch and demanded everything re-open.
Gaslighting is telling people that Covid isn’t a threat even though you know it’s not and you deliberately cooked the books to sell that delusion. Gaslighting is telling people you’re supposed to be responsible for governing that a vaccine that was never shown to stop the spread of a disease does, in fact, do that. Gaslighting is telling people that you must personally assess your own risk to a collective, public health crisis with the paltry tools that have been provided, then strip away or sabotage every last one of those tools so they cannot provide even a sliver of usefulness to anyone but the most bad faith interpretations.
All of these things are things both Amerikkka’s fascist wing and liberal, fascist-enabling wing have done and are currently doing (if they’re not outright ignoring it). To anyone with a pulse, there is no meaningful difference, and indeed they are so often intertwined.
Also, Marx was based.
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You’re gaslighting. His post was bookended with political critiques on how fascism and liberalism are the same thing, with a poor attempt to use COVID to prove his point.
Also, he’s a Marxist, a political ideology so successful, it’s produced countless fascist regimes.
I am once again asking liberals to learn that ‘fascist’ isn’t just a synonym for ‘something I don’t like.’
i think one of the aspects of fascism that really freaks out liberals is that fascism is the return of the policies they (casually or explicitly) support overseas to their homes and applied to them and their neighbors. i was reading that post-colonial analysis excerpt about how hitler did to the core what “heroic” churchill and his predecessors had been doing to india and other peoples/nations for decades. libs avoid any material analysis of the core/periphery or fascism because the connections make it obvious libs have no trouble enjoying the fruits of evil done elsewhere to secure markets, but bringing those same methods of repression and control home is the unspeakably evil act of a madman.
the idea that their poorly-interrogated political project creates and necessitates the very monster they fear is too much to grapple with for some.
I don’t know how you came to leftist politics, but it seems like a more enlightened road than I took. You give liberals way too much credit to attribute a kind of motivation that requires a functional knowledge of modern empire.
Hannah Arendt and her (quite literally) Nazi-loving ass have been a disaster for political discussion in the anglosphere
Don’t use technical terms if you don’t understand what they mean. It makes you look either ignorant or dishonest depending on your tone.
I’m gonna go with ignorant in this case.
I hate it here.
We were all having such a nice time.
Remind me who funded the Nazis before WW2 began and then rescued them at its end. Then remind me who was conquering Berlin while Hitler was committing suicide.
Ironic, you should probably space out your protests about gaslighting a bit from your own fabrication of history.
It was third-way anti-communists who were the the base of movements that turned into fascist governments and it was Marxists that famously liberated Europe from that fascism.
Regardless, liberals broadly have enforced covid policy that is extremely harmful to people with disabilities. That’s essentially an admission that their right to participate in society is measured by their ‘value’, that dealing with a pandemic properly has to take a back seat to what’s good for the economy.
There’s more than two political ideologies. The person you’re replying to isn’t talking about American political parties.
There’s a lot of history and theory about how different ideologies, especially liberalism and fascism, interact with each other. This is what they were making reference to.
lmao this really is all politics is to shitlibs
The fact that we care about life more than the blood altar of capital tends to make it easy to find us. And remember: losing ideological battles online is but a prelude to losing such battles in the real world.
Edit: imagine thinking that voting every few years for bourgeois puppets equals democracy. Real democracy is practiced in every home, school, and workplace every day by every person. Liberals don’t want to hear this, though, because they tend to do poorly when everyone everywhere is able and willing to participate in a truly democratic society 😉
If you want to really see how democratic the USA is, try forming a union in your workplace. Try protesting in a way that inconveniences capital. Try going to a city when you have no money or connections. Try speaking publicly about how Biden has given $75 billion+ to Ukrainian Nazis. Then see just how amazing and democratic life in the USA really is.
And yes, both sides are definitely bad, as evidenced by the fact that by any objective measure, everything in the USA is worse than it was when Trump was president. But thankfully there’s a third side called Marxism. If it didn’t work and it was really such a failure, then you wouldn’t be panicking daily about China’s rise. And if China is not actually communist, I assume you would have no issue with the CPC taking over the USA, since the result would be the same, right? Whatever human rights issues they supposedly have pale in comparison to the multiple ongoing genocides perpetrated by the USA’s ruling class. The Iraq War alone—supported by both American liberals and fascists—is far worse than anything the Nazis in the CIA say that China has done.
I do vote every year and have since I turned 18
Last year I wrote in names for every candidate
here's who I voted for
Biden has been in office for almost four years. Abortion was banned under his watch. He could have prevented it by expanding the supreme court - he chose not to. He chose to let thousands of women suffer and die.
Student loan forgiveness was promised by Biden - a promise he failed to deliver. Again, expanding the supreme court could have prevented this.
Biden has done absolutely nothing to stand up to the military-industrial complex. He pulled out of Afghanistan, then almost immediately began sending billions in “lethal aid” to Ukraine.
Biden has upheld the deportation laws at the Mexican border that Trump put in place. He is actively choosing to do that!
I don’t understand how any rational person can look at Biden and say he’s doing anything even slightly left-wing. He is not. Objective reality shows is that both sides (Democrats and Republicans) ARE the same because they are DOING the same thing. Ideology says they are different. Reality says they are the same. If you believe they are different, you are valuing ideology over reality.
The good cop brought me some chips, the bad cop yelled at me, how dare you suggest that the good cop and bad cop are the same!
Its not a both sides are bad. Its an academic discussion about the genealogy of facism. And when you look at protofacist regimes like the young turks its very clear their ideology has a basis in liberalism.
Thank you, I will vote at least a dozen times in at least a dozen counties just for you. Be the change you want to see in the world.
“Waaaah waaaah ad hominem attacks waaah”
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Man I was reading his comment and I was like what is this whataboutism nonsense he’s talking about, then it made sense when I read your comment. Guess I gotta start looking at usernames again before reading comments
Guess you need to put down the Harry Potter and read actual theory/history before discussing topics about which you are willfully ignorant.
please god go back to