• SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
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    Damn. These are Eastern Europe levels of corruption. Has it only gotten this bad in the past few years or were Cameron/Blair/Major etc. just better at hiding it?

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      No, it got significantly worse for two reasons:

      Trump showed that operating outside morals or regulations had no consequences, political or financial.

      A kleptrocrat is now in the highest office, instead of just pulling strings.

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        I agree with the first point but Rishi definitely isn’t the first kleptrocrat in the job (he might be the richest, but not the first), we have a glorious (/s) history of being ruled over by the rich and privileged (not only in parliament, but the rest of government and of course the royals).

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          You are correct in essence, I was taking a bit of a shortcut, but Rishi is definately unique in that he is a step up in wealth compared to the traditional Old Boys Network. Ironically that’s the only level up the UK has accomplished since Boris XD

          So yes, the rich and privileged have always been the ruling class, once the Millionaires get replaced by Billionaires the rules, and playing field, changes dramatically.

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            I don’t disagree, maybe I’m just more cynical about how bad it has been already, millionaire, billionaire, both are so many magnitudes of wealth above what we’ll ever have, and are both as disconnected from the rest of us, not to mention both are already funded by and/or are otherwise in bed with the billionaires that aren’t in government, so it doesn’t feel like this is the big shift that’ll make the difference.

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              Oh, it was bad already. But what most people do not realize how far removed from the “real” world that you, me and yes-millionaires inhabit the multibillionaires are. The “out of touch” elite of the old rich and powerful did exist in the same framework we did. The megarich do not. The difference between indirect influence and direct power might seem trivial but I am convinced it’s not just fundamentally different but also potentially catastrophic as they might as well be a different species from us for all practical purposes and to have them make decisions that directly influence our lifes but not theirs is Kafkaesque.

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      I think probably a bit of both. The Conservatives seem to have done away with the concept of political embarrassment except as a political tool in itself.

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      I think we’ve been on a quick spiral towards seeing just how much the electorate would deal with.

      There are deep parallels with Trumpists and Brexiteers in that their following is almost religious. Pair this with the fact that the UK doesn’t have a constitution, and we’ve found that it doesn’t actually matter if a PM is found to have misled parliament or have been charged by the police for an offence. Politicians can get away with whatever they want, including breaking the law, and people will still rather vote for them.

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    Is anybody really surprised that a billionaire politician abuses his office to make more money? That is the Number One reason why those people go into politics - to be able to distribute the pork barrels directly, without the need to pay other politicians like they normally do.

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      And this one didn’t even need to get elected (tbf neither did the last 2, or is it 3?), they just sit there and wait their turn at playing leader, when they do their best to fill their pockets by picking apart public services.

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      Ha. It feels good to have such a benevolent leader here in the US. He never talks business with his family. He only talks about the weather when family members call him on the phone. Whatever profits are made are because they are the smartest people he knows.

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      The UK populace is making a run at the throne for dumbest electorate in the world. USA has been the undisputed champ for years, but UK swinging!

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        To be fair its not like the public even voted Sunak in, they voted Boris in and we then got the Tory’s hand me downs (not that Boris was any better, granted)

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          Very few people in the UK ever vote a PM into power, and even those people only vote them in as an MP, technically.

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          you don’t vote for the prime minister, you vote for the party. no prime minister gets their position because the public wants them to. it’s an actual illusion of choice

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        as bad as Truss was she at least fucked off before completely driving the country down the shitter

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    Of all the family values to export out of India, corruption and nepotism seem to be on top of Murthy family’s list.

    ps : Sunak’s wife and Narayan Murthy’s daughter had avoided paying taxes on her nearly $1-billion fortune. Infoys also has a history of tax issues in a number of jurisdictions, including UK.

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      A. that’s racist

      B. He was born in England, and his parents are Indians from East Africa

      It’s racist because his values are not Indian, they come from England

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        A. Pointing out acts of nepotism and tax avoidance is not racist.
        B. The comment was on his in-laws, their firm, and their daughter’s values.

        Sunak’s British values haven’t stopped his wife & his in-laws from tax avoidance and from profiting via nepotism, to which he, the PM of UK, is at best a passive participant and at worst actively involved.

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          It’s definitely racist when you say that those are Indian family values. It’s not racist is you say those are Sunak family values.

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            Nepotism and corruption are a way of life with India and particularly in a Indian family firm. How do I know? I’m Indian as is the Murthy family. I’m pointing out that they’re doing their misdeeds outside India.

            If you see their actions as not being examples of nepotism and corruption or if you consider nepotism and corruption to not be misdeeds, you’ll need to explain.

            I cannot comment on Sunak’s family values, but they can’t be good if he enables his wife’s tax avoidance and his in-laws profiting via nepotism.

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            You’re not even using the word ‘racist’ in the correct context. What you’re thinking of is the word ‘bigoted’.

            Also, I don’t think OP is bigoted, sure didn’t seem that was his intention anyway.

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                Do you think it is?

                Also, in that context, OP was referring to his notion of Indian cultural norms.

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      In a literal theft from the people sense? Yes. In reality? No, he’s rich so he can do what he wants. Laws are to keep us poor in check, not to be fair.

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      Of course not!

      He is clearly just a master negotiator and very savvy businessman!

      Anyone could do what he has done if they just worked harder, we’re born into wealth and married the daughter of a billionaire.

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      If a Tory resigns every time they do something corrupt we’d get through them pretty quickly.

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      Don’t you even try. The people voted the Tories, UK is not a dictatorship. We are paying the consequences of our stupidity.

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        We are paying the consequences of our stupidity.

        FPTP-voting was designed by ancient wealthy romans in order for them to maintain rule regardless of voter-outcomes, this system is inherently flawed in favor of the rich as it makes it easy for them to manipulate. Donate enough to both sides and it’s all business as usual no matter the opinion of the populace. In too many places it’s a trait of leaving democracy as a mere experiment and bonkers to continue without reform in modern times.

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          In all fairness, FPTP did create one of the oldest, most successful democracies that ever existed on the planet. Now, I’m not saying it shouldn’t be reformed (it should be), but calling it a straight up terrible no good isn’t right either

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            If you’re talking about Westminster, then I don’t agree. The measure of success for a democracy must be how well it represents the people. At this, Westminster has failed and continues to fail. The country itself has been very successful, historically. Its common people however have been subjugated and oppressed.

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              That’s true. I’d argue that a successful democracy is one where the will of the majority is consistently honoured, which long hasn’t been the case with our electoral system