Ukraine's military chief on Saturday warned that the battlefield situation in the country's industrial east has “significantly worsened in recent days,” as warming weather has allowed Russian forces to launch a fresh push along several stretches of the more than 1,000-km long frontline.
It will be very dire. Russia has a lot of people to throw at the problem. That’s how the they won Ww2. They didn’t win based on tactics. They threw more people at the slaughter.
I’m just shocked the average Russian has had enough of this yet.
Russia is just producing more weapons this is not a manpower problem. And after using Ukraine as meat puppets to tank the Russian economy we are now abandoning them as we did with past allies such as the Kurds.
I’ve been shocked at how little ammo we can produce. I always assumed America had more capacity to produce ammo. I get stingers and javelins are limited runs but 155mm ammo seems like something we should be able to produce in large quantities but we can’t.
We can definitely produce large quantities. The problem is that we are giving Ukraine our old garbage to fight with. They are two years into the war and still haven’t received F16’s
If we were serious we would have given Ukraine some good stuff at the start and they would have won before Russia was able to ramp up their weapons production.
I wouldn’t call the 155 ammo garbage. It’s just from our stockpile
It isn’t as easy as hand them something. It’s takes training to use the weapon correctly.
Most everything we’ve given is current issue for the United States military.
You just can’t had them an f16. They need the equipment to use the f16. They need the training to fly the f16
The point remains. Especially at the start of the invasion we just gave Ukraine old scraps. We did not give them what they needed to win, only to stall.
After the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the U.S. went on a secret buying spree to collect “a small number of Soviet missile defense systems so that they could be examined by U.S. intelligence experts and help with training American forces,” The Wall Street Journal reports. Now, the U.S. is sending some of those air defense systems to Ukraine to help Ukrainian forces shoot down Russian fighter jets and missiles. Ukrainian soldiers already know how to operate old Soviet weapons systems.
The Cold War-era Leopard 1A5 may be old, but it is still effective, Germany says. The country is now training Ukrainian troops to operate the weapons.
The Leopard 1A5 is so old, in fact, that the German trainers had to rely on soldiers from the Dutch and Danish armies — where the model was used for longer — and former German tank drivers who trained back in the 1980s and 1990s. The last time the German army actually taught recruits on the system was in 2000.
Some of the trainers were civilians in their 50s or 60s who took a break from their day jobs to help. “They were really important in getting us going from a cold start,” said Colonel Maulbecker, who normally commands a battalion of modern tanks.
The German government on Thursday authorized Poland to transfer five Soviet-era fighter jets to Ukraine, boosting Kyiv’s ability to challenge Russia by air.
Poland obtained the MiG-29 jets from Germany in the early 2000s, according to media reports. They were originally used by the armed forces in Communist-era East Germany.
And I can go on and on with that list. Even now Ukraine is still waiting for their F16s and it’s probably too late by now.
I remember from Churchill’s memories that he mentions as a rule of thumb (based on his experiences in both world wars) that a country needs something like 4 years to put the ammo industry up the conflict requirements… anyway, this isn’t (yet) ww2 by 2 orders of magnitude.
Hint: It was the Ukrainians. The ability for Ukrainians to survive is epic. Still, we need to support them to minimize their pain, we don’t want them to suffer WW2-like losses again or be forced to bear such burdens for Russia in the future.
Is the narrative finally shifting? If you said this two months ago everyone called you a tankie.
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If you said what? “What if we don’t support Ukraine?”
Why not just supporting them.instead, so this does not happen?
It will be very dire. Russia has a lot of people to throw at the problem. That’s how the they won Ww2. They didn’t win based on tactics. They threw more people at the slaughter. I’m just shocked the average Russian has had enough of this yet.
Russia is just producing more weapons this is not a manpower problem. And after using Ukraine as meat puppets to tank the Russian economy we are now abandoning them as we did with past allies such as the Kurds.
I’ve been shocked at how little ammo we can produce. I always assumed America had more capacity to produce ammo. I get stingers and javelins are limited runs but 155mm ammo seems like something we should be able to produce in large quantities but we can’t.
We can definitely produce large quantities. The problem is that we are giving Ukraine our old garbage to fight with. They are two years into the war and still haven’t received F16’s
If we were serious we would have given Ukraine some good stuff at the start and they would have won before Russia was able to ramp up their weapons production.
I wouldn’t call the 155 ammo garbage. It’s just from our stockpile It isn’t as easy as hand them something. It’s takes training to use the weapon correctly. Most everything we’ve given is current issue for the United States military. You just can’t had them an f16. They need the equipment to use the f16. They need the training to fly the f16
Sure but it certainly doesn’t take two years.
The point remains. Especially at the start of the invasion we just gave Ukraine old scraps. We did not give them what they needed to win, only to stall.
I would say what we gave was scarps. It’s all current issue hardware. Nothing was obsolete.
That’s been part of the problem. We can degrade our ability to fight by giving it to Ukraine.
The large gap is the 155mm ammo. We can’t keep up with that.
We were sending cold war era Garbonzo at the start
Biden is reportedly sending Ukraine old Soviet air defense weapons from America’s own secret stockpile
An Obsolete German Tank Seeks a Second Life on Ukraine’s Front Lines
Ukraine is getting Soviet-era fighter jets from Poland after Germany approves transfer
And I can go on and on with that list. Even now Ukraine is still waiting for their F16s and it’s probably too late by now.
I remember from Churchill’s memories that he mentions as a rule of thumb (based on his experiences in both world wars) that a country needs something like 4 years to put the ammo industry up the conflict requirements… anyway, this isn’t (yet) ww2 by 2 orders of magnitude.
I incorrectly assumed we had many factories running at smaller capacities. Turns out we shuttered those to save money.
I get things like cruise missiles are done in large batches but just assumed 155mm had several lines.
Nah, they tuned their tactics a lot, that’s why they went from losing every battle with a 10r:1g ratio to win them with a 3r:1g ratio.
You might want to see who they threw into WW2.
Hint: It was the Ukrainians. The ability for Ukrainians to survive is epic. Still, we need to support them to minimize their pain, we don’t want them to suffer WW2-like losses again or be forced to bear such burdens for Russia in the future.