• boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Ah ok

    And I do mean the political ideology where liberalism means the things included in liberalism.

    It’s just that the later rightwing/capitalist highjackings of the word aren’t true.

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Liberalism has always included a free market economy though? That’s what Marx was mainly against, a free economy where the means of production are owned by those with the means to purchase them on the free market. He was a “liberal” in the 19th century sense in that he was in favour of a free press and abolishment of the monarchy but he saw private ownership of land/factories etc as problematic because of the serfdom it leads to. These ideas (edit: democracy, freedom of expression etc.) however are now really mainstream and when people talk about “liberals” they mean those who are in favour of a free market economy. Free as in “i am free to buy what I want regardless of my birth” not free as in “I am entitled to basic human necessities required to live a free life even if I can’t afford them” is what most people mean when they talk about liberal ideology.

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        And that’s the issue. The latter, of being free to even have the the possibility for economic freedom, is liberalism in it’s essence. And that’s not happening in capitalism. Under capitalism only the rich are free, so liberalism happens outside of capitalism.