I’m getting kinda tired of the slideshow snobs, telling everyone how 30 FPS is enough. The games are supposed to be fun, and not cause nausea. I’m willing to compromise on the former, but not the latter.
Some people easily get motion sickness and it can be aggravated by many factors, including low and/or irregular framerates.
I’d be interested to know if people complaining about motion sickness at low fps have that issue with all games, or only FPS/TPS. And if they have the same issue with “first person” segments in movies (which are pretty damn rare in the first place, and basically always at a very consistent but low framerate)
Sorry, figured it was an obvious joke, but sometimes that doesn’t come across well in text form.
But to look at it at a different angle, GTA 5 on the Xbox 360 and the PS3 sold millions, and typically ran at mid 20s FPS, same as a TV. I don’t recall there being an issue or outcry of it causing motion sickness, and yet with million in sales, it would have been played by enough people.
Why didn’t this have such issues claimed? Or was there reports and claims it caused issues that I missed?
There are numerous factors to this. First off, the natural motion blur caused by film allows for the brain to track the information better and gives an illusion of fluidity. Games on the other hand render images statically, one by one, often inconsistently. And depending on the motion of the camera in game, the next frame may be dramatically different. (This is partially why some games can run at 24~fps looking smooth, while others look choppy even up to and past 60fps).
And while you are right that folks who played GTA IV, and other games that rendered at a usually smooth 24-30 fps, didn’t often complain about motion sickness, this is a biased sample. The reality is that we know frame rates and frame times are linked to motion sickness. This has been a very prevalent problem with VR headsets, in which the proximity to the screen exacerbates any issues. But folks playing GTA IV at the time were not likely to be part of the group that was susceptible to the motion sickness induced by low but consistent frame rates.
Compared that fact to now though, where it’s very possible to run games at a higher frame rate, which means that people who would experience motion sickness at lower frame rates can join everyone else in the glorious hobby. Also, if you are having low frame rates on a PC nowadays, it’s more likely to be paired with inconsistent frame rates, increasing the choppy feeling.
Fwiw, just Googeling “GTA IV causes motion sickness” and adjusting the search date range to '08 to '13 brings up no end of results, including this forms post about GTA IV causing motion sickness for at least one gamer.
To be fair, after getting a OLED TV, I can’t stand 24 FPS content at all. With LCD, the blur between frames is just enough to mask the issue, but on OLED movement gets extremely stuttery, and if you get distracted focusing on it, you can even see the steps in each individual frame. It’s nauseating.
I had to do the unthinkable and enable the less intrusive motion smoothing option on my TV, otherwise I’d straight up get a headache. This does not happen at any higher framerates. And I’m not talking about gaming at all, I mean TV and movie content.
I’m getting kinda tired of the slideshow snobs, telling everyone how 30 FPS is enough. The games are supposed to be fun, and not cause nausea. I’m willing to compromise on the former, but not the latter.
I’m not a snob. I’ve just never had a PC good enough to run most games at 60 fps. I’ve just never acoustumed to this level of confort 😛
It must be impossible for you to watch TV or any movie as they are all recorded at 24 FPS.
Some people easily get motion sickness and it can be aggravated by many factors, including low and/or irregular framerates.
I’d be interested to know if people complaining about motion sickness at low fps have that issue with all games, or only FPS/TPS. And if they have the same issue with “first person” segments in movies (which are pretty damn rare in the first place, and basically always at a very consistent but low framerate)
You don’t control a movie, those two aren’t comparable
I can control a movie. Play, pause, fast forward , rewind…
You must know you are being purposely disagreeable, right? If not, I would love a clear explanation on how you think that is comparable. Educate me.
Sorry, figured it was an obvious joke, but sometimes that doesn’t come across well in text form.
But to look at it at a different angle, GTA 5 on the Xbox 360 and the PS3 sold millions, and typically ran at mid 20s FPS, same as a TV. I don’t recall there being an issue or outcry of it causing motion sickness, and yet with million in sales, it would have been played by enough people.
Why didn’t this have such issues claimed? Or was there reports and claims it caused issues that I missed?
There are numerous factors to this. First off, the natural motion blur caused by film allows for the brain to track the information better and gives an illusion of fluidity. Games on the other hand render images statically, one by one, often inconsistently. And depending on the motion of the camera in game, the next frame may be dramatically different. (This is partially why some games can run at 24~fps looking smooth, while others look choppy even up to and past 60fps).
And while you are right that folks who played GTA IV, and other games that rendered at a usually smooth 24-30 fps, didn’t often complain about motion sickness, this is a biased sample. The reality is that we know frame rates and frame times are linked to motion sickness. This has been a very prevalent problem with VR headsets, in which the proximity to the screen exacerbates any issues. But folks playing GTA IV at the time were not likely to be part of the group that was susceptible to the motion sickness induced by low but consistent frame rates.
Compared that fact to now though, where it’s very possible to run games at a higher frame rate, which means that people who would experience motion sickness at lower frame rates can join everyone else in the glorious hobby. Also, if you are having low frame rates on a PC nowadays, it’s more likely to be paired with inconsistent frame rates, increasing the choppy feeling.
Fwiw, just Googeling “GTA IV causes motion sickness” and adjusting the search date range to '08 to '13 brings up no end of results, including this forms post about GTA IV causing motion sickness for at least one gamer.
To be fair, after getting a OLED TV, I can’t stand 24 FPS content at all. With LCD, the blur between frames is just enough to mask the issue, but on OLED movement gets extremely stuttery, and if you get distracted focusing on it, you can even see the steps in each individual frame. It’s nauseating.
I had to do the unthinkable and enable the less intrusive motion smoothing option on my TV, otherwise I’d straight up get a headache. This does not happen at any higher framerates. And I’m not talking about gaming at all, I mean TV and movie content.