Some of Reddit’s most popular communities have posted open letters to the company with a series of requests regarding many key issues at the heart of the recent protests on the platform. They want a response by June 29th.
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Yeah, the behavior by spez and the company as a whole afterwards was abysmal. Trying to gaslight Christian was the last straw for me (lucky he had the call logs). It went from “I’m going to use reddit much less because my third party app is being killed” to “I actively hate this company and will go out of my way to avoid giving them any money at all”.
Yep, I feel exactly the same. I created and moderated about 10 smallish communities as well as moderating a few large ones 500k+, 2 of which i was the sole active mod. I’m done, admins can go fuck themselves.
The actions of the admins after the initial blackout were why I moved over to Lemmy.
100% agree. There’s nothing they could do at this point. I’m done.
It’s way past this point now. Had reddit done this back when the shutdowns were first planned that would be one thing, but at this point they’ve demonstrated they can’t be trusted, they don’t care about their users or mods, and they’re only interested in anything they think will increase the their profit margins for the IPO. If you aren’t an investment firm they don’t give a single shit about you past whatever damage you might do to their IPO plans.
I’m sure reddit will get right on that.
Even if reddit backpedals, many of these communities are now irreversibly fractured. From the ones that went dark and had moderation replaced, or creators left, to outright posting porn or shitposting John Oliver, all of these communities will take time to fix and go back to normal for every reason under the sun. Half of reddit is on fire and just as so, you can heal from a burn but it’s never the same.
This abusive relationships has evolved again, and spez is still hitting you now he’s burned you. To use Louis Rossmans words “it’s not even about the api anymore. Look how the entire company acts when they’re told they’re wrong. Look how much they will do. How far they will go. Do you really want to invest your time or money as an investor in a company it’s own users are actively trying to burn down?”
These mods are in an abusive relationship with Reddit. Like abusive husbands / wives, they are not going to change. Leave
It’s too late, the damage has already been done, and not just because of the pricing. Reddit’s outright manipulative and malicious treatment of devs has already driven most of them to shut down their work with the company. I certainly wouldn’t want to work with a platform that treats me like that, profitable or not.
It’s nice that they still have hope and still love their community enough to want to attempt to seek some sort of resolution, but imo reddit the company is never going to budge now. It’s personal for spez now, and the company is simply going to barrel on and ignore all these letters and everything. They’re committed to their stance now, and they’re going to simply wait it out, until all the opposing people have left/been kicked out and all that is left of reddit the community are those who either still support them or who don’t care. It’s sad, but imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it’s time to accept that and move on.
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It’s nice that they still have hope and still love their community enough to want to attempt to seek some sort of resolution, but imo reddit the company is never going to budge now.
They never were. They have the numbers. They knew there was money to be made by killing off 3rd party apps. They knew they would piss people off. Really all they care about are the folks that subscribe to Reddit and/or use the native app. They view everyone else as a parasite. They made the calculation that killing 3rd party apps would have a small enough impact that it was worth it in the long run. That is all they wanted. They probably didn’t count on the level of outrage they would create. They surely expected some, but definitely not this. They are in it for the long haul though. They will just wait people out to see what the damage actually is and then one day in a month or two they will talk about how minimal the impact was and how they saw very little loss of readership.
They are not in it for the long haul. It’s all about the IPO.
reddit the company is never going to budge now.
It will be interesting to see what happens after Friday, I wouldn’t be surprised if when the mobile apps stop working, it will have an even more significant impact than we have seen so far.
imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it’s time to accept that and move on.
It’s been for a while IMO, I deleted my account a couple of years ago, and reduced my use to a couple of links to a few subreddits exclusively for lurking.
My answer was stopping modding, stopping posting and now a data takeout and GDPR deletion request (and a complaint because they will fail to honor it) on the way out. I would have done it years ago if there was a place to migrate to.
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It’s gonna take a GDPR request on legal letterhead…
Reddit doesn’t want third party apps. They will get more money with their official app, simple as that.
For reddit you are just a wallet full of money. Spez doesn’t see you in any other way, just walking money.
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The prices are such that if anyone is stupid enough to pay for the API then Reddit is rolling in cash, conversely if they don’t pay for it then they expect the users to use the official app instead and then the ad dollars pile in.
As many others have said - I’m not going back, just leave to this greener, federated pasture
Dude reddit isn’t for you. It is okay. It is a business and they have a right to do whatever they want with their business, but IDK how many more ways they can say “You aren’t important to me” before people stop saying “But I should be important to you!”
I don’t think that the people who provide the content and the people who moderate the content are wrong in thinking that they should be accorded some respect by a site that would be worthless without that content.
Reddit has told them all to fuck off in a variety of ways for months.
At some point you gotta take the hint instead of trying to make peace with the abuser.
Yeah, I don’t think they’re saying that users aren’t important to Reddit; what they seem to wanna say is that Reddit doesn’t care whether or not users are important to them.
The only thing you can do at this point is quit, because Reddit will only budge when it’s too late for them.
They’re not wrong at all, but Reddit aren’t going to change their mind and grant them their due respect. Like with Digg before it, the userbase will slowly migrate away if this keeps up.
Why do people want to continue working for free making profit for a company who don’t give a fuck about them?
Yeah. In the beginning I was like “sure mods, let’s start with protests, maybe that’ll do something and if it doesn’t… well it was nice while it lasted”. But to think that some mods are still trying to negotiate after Reddit admins smeared their snoo poo on everything they engaged with the past couple of weeks. Sheesh, some people really have no idea when to call it quits. How can they be this power hungry? It’s just self degrading at this point.
Just stop moderating them already. Don’t go dark. Reddit will revert. Don’t make it NSFW to stop ad profits. Reddit will revert. Just. Stop. Moderating.
Let it fill up with nudes and hate speech and then sure, let’s have Reddit forcibly remove you. They’ll pull in a new team of mods but if they’re just picked out of the blue, they’re unlikely to find the time and energy necessary to do it well because this takes passion and many teams were assembled carefully over time with votes and selection processes for a reason. It’s often a team effort of passionate people. Moderating poorly risks putting the subreddit on collision course with the community but hey that is Spez and gang’s problem, not yours.
I don’t think there is any other language that Reddit understands than this. Mods – take a breather and see what the world has to offer. It’s not just all about Reddit.
Reddit will then replace them, as they’ve threatened and reiterated through all of this
Exactly. Stop moderating and remove any auto moderating bots. That’s it. Let Reddit self destruct.
But they can’t do it because Reddit moderators almost always have nothing else going for them. They cling to their moderator status so feverishly, if they gave it up they’d have nothing else going for them.
This feels very much like a “when someone shows you who they are, believe them” type scenario. Even if Reddit backtracks and courts 3rd party apps in their eco-system, they’ve shown themselves. They don’t care about communities, users, or mods.
When your abusive partner promises to stop beating you, you should not go back to the relationship. They will beat you again.
Looking at a subreddit that I joined right now, there is a poll about the future of the subreddit and the protest and 53% are to stay open.
MANY in the comments see the protest as useless and that it “hurts the community”. While I agree with the point that it locks users out from the subreddit, especially for tech support, I can tell you that they all don’t really care about this.
I also have seen someone create a replacement subreddit for the private one just to fill the gap.
And looking at all those Awards being given out in the posts about the AMAs and such, I have very little hope that something will change on Reddit’s side.
I think, all the mods of those subreddits just pack up and leave to the alternatives like lemmy and let the Subreddits rot.
It’s too late. Hopefully Reddit dies.
I see where you’re coming from but I hope Reddit doesn’t die. Yes this situation sucks, but there’s a lot of valuable information on Reddit after years of indexing everyone and anyone’s questions. Killing Reddit is akin to burning down the library of Alexandria (Not nearly as sever, but I’m sure you get the picture.)
At least before Reddit dies, I hope we find a way to archive at of that user data.
I think there should be archives available until march: https://archive.org/details/pushshift-reddit-2023-03/
It’s time to stop begging and start leaving.
Agreed. I think we need to establish a better migration system for users. It’s honestly extremely easy to get set up on, say, lemmy.world. it took me a couple minutes to make an account, download apps, and log in on my computer and my phone.
I think a lot of redditors are afraid of having to learn a new thing and word on the street over there is that the federated communities are hard to understand. We need to let them know it’s not that bad and provide easy steps to migrate. I think if they actually know how painless it can be, more would migrate.
Not to mention, many users just look at /r/all anyway, so they won’t even need to worry about subscribing or navigating away from their local instance. I’ve been trying to include some very basic steps to get started and then, if they are so inclined, they can learn more about how the federation works as they go.
Gotta say, I thought it sounded a lil complicated at first. I’d heard ‘Lemmy.world’ mentioned a few times, so I came over and signed up…. And that’s it. There wasn’t anything complicated at all. Been here a few days now and loving it so far.
Exactly. What I’m seeing over on reddit almost seems like pro-reddit propaganda. They make it sound impossible to get into and inevitable to fail. But let’s be honest, the numbers here have been impressive this last week. It’ll probably only grow from here. I’m hoping my little comments here and there on reddit might help bring people over faster. Hopefully others can do the same.
Exactly… but at the same time, i like smaller communities, so if most of those people want to stay on reddit, let em.
Yeah its really tough in that regard. There was a lot of small communities that were hands down some of my favorites. Takes years for those kind of things to build.
Gotta start somewhere though.
Bad idea, this looks like Stockholm syndrome to me.
Reddit has already shown they will screw everyone over, and no amount of blowback so far has gotten them to change course.
Leave (and optionally try to give Reddit as much hell as possible on the way out). That’s the only answer now.
I don’t think there is any redemption either, even if u/spez is removed. He’s not the first bad head of the company, if anything the company has never had any good heads.
I made a script that changes all my old comments to gibberish, but I haven’t used it yet. I can’t decide if it’s a good idea or not. I’m not saying that my old comments are extremely useful, but I wouldn’t want to prevent people from reading or having context or any help I’ve given.
They will simply roll your edits back.
Dont give them the clicks
Just move on
Maybe delete your account
All deleting your account does is remove your username from your comments while also removing your ability to delete or edit said comments. It makes more sense to keep it active so you have more control over your data.
And gives you a reason to stop visiting the site.
The data stopped belonging to you as soon as you posted it*
*unless you live somewhere GDPR applies or like california•*
•and if reddit actually complies•
Yeah, reddit is restoring bulk edits made using the api but you can still go to your user profile, sort by top scoring comments, and manually change your top 10-20 comments
