ANKARA, Oct 25 (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, in his strongest comments yet on the Gaza conflict, said on Wednesday the Palestinian militant group Hamas was not a terrorist organisation but a liberation group fighting to protect Palestinian lands and people.

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    1 year ago

    Proper reflection of all the facts should reveal that a great deal of wrongdoing has been done by both Israelis and Palestinians over the past century. Not sure how someone could miss that without very biased news consumption.

    Regardless, if you begin to use the same tactics as your enemy, you become as bad as your enemy. Not better, not worse, just … as bad. You have to take different kinds of actions from your enemy if you wish to be a different kind of person than them.

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      1 year ago

      Is this biased? Or maybe I should read corporate owned, state department controlled CNN to get the “facts.”

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            It would have been very difficult to propose if I wasn’t aware of it. Considering I’m consistently critical of both of the sides, including my own, I think I’m proving it pretty well too.

            It’s a good sign when you can criticize your own side. My side being currently pro-Israeli, as I imagine you’ve gathered. I can be pro-Israeli for this one incident, and then switch to being anti-Israeli again after HAMAS is dealt with. And unless Israel gets real peaceful real quick and frees Palestine, I will become anti-Israeli again.

            But, I’m just slightly more anti-HAMAS first.

            I actually support Macron’s proposal for a coalition against HAMAS, as I think a large international coalition force going in instead of the IDF would be far, far more likely to result in a lot more survival, and maybe even eventual freedom and peace for the Palestinians. The IDF is just too aggressive, too indiscriminate, and too willing to take the land. A coalition force going in instead would deprive the Israelis of a lot of their leverage though.

            It’s complicated. You know? No easy answers that let you also stay a decent person. Which means a difficult answer is necessary, unless we want to compromise on our values. So maybe since we in the rest of the world helped cause this problem through our complicated histories and general unwillingness to really get deeply involved to help, we should also be willing to bleed to fix it. Together.

            My current thinking, anyway.

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                How can that change my mind when HAMAS does the same? What sense does that make? Please, explain it to me.

                Two sides. Both kill kids. Two sides same.

                Where did I go wrong? Please explain.

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                  1 year ago

                  Can you count? At what number do Palestinian deaths mean more? 5,000? 10,000? 100,000? Israel kills thousands. Hamas kills 200. Both sides! They are not the same.

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                    You should keep the whole count, verified, not just count some things. That’s like the definition of bias.