Linus’ thread: (CW: bigotry and racism in the comments) https://social.kernel.org/notice/AWSXomDbvdxKgOxVAm (you need to scroll down, i can’t seem to link to the comment in the screenshot)
Political? For everyone outside of America that’s just common sense.
In Canada it’s starting to become “political” since our morons are egged on by the morons down south.
It’s so exhausting, they treat it like a sport, it’s not about making anyone’s lives better it’s all just about their team winning
It’s people creating their own victories because they’re lacking their own.
Love your username, btw!
Hello I’m a trans person from the UK here to tell you this is sadly not the case at all.
Politics used to be something people engaged in. Now politics is the core to a lot of people’s identities, which means disagreement or debate is perceived as a personal attack and people will embrace a tremendous amount of cognitive dissonance to avoid being wrong.
Average US American : “Outsider America… You mean, the Moon?”
I despite this “trend” of considering just simple opinions and basic statements as “political”. It’s been watered down and turned into a meaningless tag.
The entire middle east has entered the chat
Most of Asia enters the chat with abysmal LGBTQ+ rights.
All of human civilizations outside this recent small blip in history in the developed western world.
Aye, I wonder if cavemen cared what some minority in the tribe might be doing or just shrugged their shoulders about it. Is it human nature to find it hard to accept? Oh weren’t the Romans ok with it, that was a while ago.
Outside the US this no longer has to be political, is probably more what it really is.
Well, unfortunately we have more than our share of the brainwashed here…
Linus is stellar example of “good is not nice.”
He will rake you over the coals because he cares about quality and expects better from everyone.
Good can be nice. This is just him personally and shouldn’t be seen as a guideline on how to be good.
I agree! Most good people are nice, it is complemntary after all.
At the same time, without getting trite, being nice does not make people automatically good, and is often a performance to get away with vile shit.
To paraphrase another idiom, people who are easily offended should be offended more often. People often dismiss others because they are not “nice” AKA not submissive or servile to their opinions or demands. Oh, this person is “mean” so I get to talk shit about them or ignore them.
Yeah, not every good person is a good role model, one can always act better than the people they admire.
This is one of the reasons why I respect him so much.
Holy shit a based Linus is not what I expected to see today. Makes me prefer Linux even more than I already did.
What would you use for a synonym for based? I keep seeing that used. I always thought it was just some alt-right meme bullshit, but I’m learning I was wrong. I still don’t get the use. My mind always thinks “based on what?”
“Based” is typically used to describe someone who says/does something without caring if they’ll be judged for it. Most commonly, it’s shorthand for “That’s a controversial opinion and you are bold for saying it, but I agree with you.” It turns the previous sentence into an adjective, which is a little weird but it makes sense eventually.
So if I had to choose a single word as a synonym, I would say “Bold”.
Bold, all right, yes. That works for me. It’s really been hurting my head reading “based” and not being able to make sense of it. Thank you! Seriously.
Based is fine, words can be reclaimed.
What would you use for a synonym for based?
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Yeah idunno, based can mean completely different things context-wise
I can relate to the “how the fuck is being a concerned human being extreme/poltical?” energy in the post hard.
Hate is mainstream politics now, sadly. So yes, not hating is political as well.
Yes - if you don’t hate hate then you are to be hated.
That’s what “being political” means. Otherwise you’d be apathetic, cynical and not concerned about anything.
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You should only support gun regulation if it applies to cops as well.
Agreed. They are not above the law, they simply enforce it. If you allow one group of people arbitrary monopoly on violence, then you have an imbalanced system.
I think you’re getting downvoted by both police supporters and police abolitionists lol
Linus is based as fuck as always. Level-headed and agreeable as always.
I’ve never been made happier by one of his rants.
Did you know that linux kernel source code was leaked to the public? Go see for yourself how political it is!
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All sensible points, nothing extreme, except maybe the Linus trademark super blunt delivery
This is one of the many reasons I look up to this man.
Linus gives exactly zero fucks about saying exactly what’s on his mind. And it’s almost always massively based. He’s always been great about that, we don’t deserve such a great mind.
Remember the time with the anti vaxxer, man was firing with all cylinders
Seriously, we are super blessed to have him.
Linux isn’t political Linus is.
Linux and everything FOSS (and not only open source) IS political. It’s a clear ethical choice and it impact everyone who use the software. The entire FOSS movement IS political
Yep, and that’s what brought me to FOSS and that makes it so necessary. Not its allegedly technological superiority.
What’s preventing nazis, fascists, transphobes, Russians, republicans, right wingers.and other boogey men from using Linux?
It’s just technology.
A russian here, can confirm that nothing prevents me from using Linux. Had no idea I’m a boogey man though
I’d say this is the good thing about FOSS, even Iranian people can use it despite the US embargo. No one person nor a country should have the power to ban stuff from others.
Nothing, really. I’ve been daily driving Linux for years, couldn’t be happier. ;)
I still agree that Linux and FOSS in general is political, honestly. Not because I want to say “what isn’t political?”, but because a lot of things about Linux and FOSS stand for privacy, freedom, transparency, responsibility, accountability, voluntary effort that benefits others (it can benefit you as well, though), etc. - all of these things seem to me like a piece of political discussion at least to some degree.
The most important point about this, though, is the fact that being political does not necessarily mean that Linux or FOSS has to enforce some kind of opinion among its users or community or around its discussion. You’re right in saying it’s just a technology, but it doesn’t mean that using Linux or FOSS isn’t a political decision - even (or especially) if your sole reason to run Linux is money.
I used to get really pissed at people who considered everything to be political, but these days, I think I agree, because everything you like or don’t like about your life (including the tech you use) is influenced by politics, so you do discuss it one way or the other in most conversations. Especially tech, though.
Agree. Being “political” really means having to do with how people consider things in the world (should) work, be it technological, cultural, economical, etc. It’s not simply restricted to being associated to a political party/ideology.
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Red Star OS in a nutshell
Read your reply
IS political. It’s a clear ethical choice and it impact everyone who use the software.
NOT
IS trans political. It’s a trans clear ethical choice trans and it trans impact trans everyone who trans use the trans software.
at no time does linux talk about trans rights, linus does.
While this isn’t specifically about “trans rights”, it does seem to indicate that linux may have an opinion on the subject.
The Linux Foundation is not the Linux kernel, though.
Yes, because the kernel is a piece of software. It can’t have political opinions, yet.
The linux kernel isn’t sentient wtf
Can any person be not based?
FOSS is an active political statement!
Was just coming here to say that. The entire Ethos of Open Source is basically the people owning the digital means of production. So some people really not grasp that?
So some people really not grasp that?
Actually, yes, the original FOSS movement had more right-libertarian roots than anything to the left, although nowadays some might see it as “common ground”.
The politics of folks like RMS (personal issues aside) were far above average, but the Free Software Movement was very steeped in liberalism from its onset, and that explains many of of its present shortcomings. Its biggest failing was to believe that Free Software would ultimately win on its merits. In the early days this was understandable, when free software was often playing catch-up to replicate the functionality of established commercial offerings. When the GNU project was just a C compiler you could install on proprietary UNIX systems to dick around with.
Today though, Free Software is more often than not superior to commercially available offerings, with the exception of some niche industrial segments. But still, Free Software adoption by end users remains incredibly marginal. No matter how many merits Free Software stacks in its favor, the “Year of Linux on the Desktop” never comes. We are still drowning in proprietary iOS and Android phones. The overwhelming majority of PCs still ship with Windows. All of it deliberately engineered to become E-waste in a couple of years.
Folks, this won’t change unless we take over the factories where these PCs and phones are manufactured.
Ideology runs this way unfortunately
Sadly, there’s an entire generation of libertarian anti-GPL “open source” developers that think the preservation of free software goes too far.
… What? I may be dumb. I don’t see how libertarianism is compatible with being anti FOSS.
The idea is that for code to truly be free, you should be able to make it proprietary. If you can’t do that, then it isn’t really free. That’s how I understand the idea anyway
But that’s not being anti, just accepting the possibility of it. Like i consider myself a libertarian and if you wanna make it close source, ok, I may dislike it but I won’t regulate against it. But being anti would imply I would go out of my way to censor your ability to do close source.
It’s a GPL license thing. If you make a derivative work of GPL code, you’re NOT free to do what you want with it. This is where the 'anti come from.
Ah. Well I’m pro theft so just use it and close it if you want and pray for the best! Hide the evidence to not get sued.
There are two parts to this. On one side, you have the “please follow the GPL if you’re using GPL code” – which is really just asking someone to honor a contract, more or less.
Then you have people like RMS, who believe that there should not be such a thing as proprietary software. They don’t care if you aren’t using the GPL – no software should be proprietary, period.
This fact eludes some folks.
“Wait, FOSS is political?”
“Always has been.”
