• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    So it’s the Jews fault that all Jews have to justify to non-Jews that we’re not bad people? That’s what you’re really going with?

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      Bro everyone has been repeating this over and over:

      No! It’s Israel’s fault.

      Why are YOU blaming others for what Israel is doing to Jewish identity?

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        So non-Jews are not at fault at all for being bigoted? It’s all the fault of Israeli Jews? There’s no bigotry involved at all? That’s what you’re saying?

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          What? Why would think that’s what I said?

          And if people ask a Jewish person “hey do you support Bibi and the apartheid state of Israel?” how is that bigotry? It’s not assuming anything.

          It’s hopeful the person is not a fascist. Not accusatory or anything.

          There are A LOT of Jews and Israelis that don’t support the apartheid state of Israel. We all know that.

          I’d ask a white South African if they supported the apartheid state there, for fucking sure.

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              I don’t think it is.

              It’s not bigotry to ask a French person if they support Macron. Or a Russian if they support Putin.

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                You’re doing exactly what I am saying. I didn’t say Chinese person, I said Chinese-AMERICAN.

                You ask an Israeli about their support for Netenyahu. You don’t ask a Jew unless you know them.

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                  Man you can ask ANYONE if they support the CCP. You can ask ANYONE if they support the Israeli apartheid state.

                  But it’s more relevant to ask people that are more likely to do so.

                  If many (most even) American Jews or Israeli-Americans support Bibi and the apartheid state, what the fuck are we supposed to do? Why is it bigotry to ask a question?

                  I’m an immigrant, to Europe, and I’ve been asked many times if I supported the fascist fucker who was our president for a while. Because A LOT of the immigrants from my country around that time did. It’s a fucking relevant question.

                  If you’re not a fascist, you don’t want to keep talking with one.

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          Did you just finish Sophistry 101? Cause that’s all we’re hearing out of you.

          I mean you’ve climbed up on the cross, and it looks like you’re even putting the nails in yourself.

          Save some wood for Jesus.

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      Did you miss the other commentors explaining why that’s the case? I personally don’t do that, but I can understand why others do. As usual, blame the politicians

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          How is that even anti semitic? They’re pointing out an action that major Jewish organisations are undeniably doing. You don’t get to play the antisemitic card for honest criticism. That’s exactly the sort of BS Israel is pulling that makes everybody annoyed at them.

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            It’s antisemitic because I have to justify myself as a Jew because people like them know this organization exists. As I have said multiple times- I have to justify that I am not a bad person because of my ancestry. Regularly. And you’re saying that non-Jews bear no fault there. Fucking bullshit.

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              Antisemitism is hatred of Jews. People assuming that you’re connected with Israel is not antisemitism, you’re just diluting the word.

              Do you realise that your response is exactly what the groups are hoping for when they’re sowing their ‘Jews = Israel’ propaganda? They’re defining your identity to the world, and by getting upset at the world for accepting that propaganda, you’ve allowed the organisations to drive a wedge between you and non-Jews. As a Chinese, I experience something similar with China. I can understand your feelings of annoyance. But you’ve got to understand that you’re falling for the plans of the politicians when you respond in the way you are now.

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                I disagree that antisemitism is hatred. Antisemitism is the othering of Jews. People who say things like Jews are all rich are being antisemitic. Because it’s a lie and a bigoted one. People who say anything about Jews as a universal truth are being antisemitic because there are no universal commonalities amongst Jews. But people don’t care about that. They don’t even care if you’re an observant Jew. I’ve had people, completely innocently, ask me why Jews are in charge of Hollywood. They don’t mean it in a hateful way. It’s still antisemitic.

                If someone asks a black person why black people are such good dancers, they aren’t being hateful, but they are being racist.

                So I may be falling for politicians, but I do not agree with your definition of antisemitism.

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                  Fair enough, I agree with you on the antisemitism point. You probably still want to take a long moment to think about the root cause of why this is happening and what they hope to gain from it.

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                  No, because there wasn’t a genocide happening in Germany then like there is in Palestine today. That’s why I asked in 1943.

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                    But you said Germans. That is part of my point. Jews are not Israelis. And you are equating Jews with being the same as a nation. This is exactly why I am forced to justify that I am not a bad person just because I’m a Jew.