Hello everyone,

I apologize if this is a debate that has already taken place. Please delete the post, and kindly indicate where I can send my message.

We all know that in technology, there are always things where one has to accept trust in the developer(s), whether it’s hardware or software. Some things are currently unavoidable to change in the short term, so that’s not where I’m focusing my point.

But something bothers me about “Open-Source” applications. I don’t know how to compile, and I’m not willing to dedicate so many hours of my life to learning it. So, in addition to trusting reputable companies, I now choose to trust a reputable person or group, who likely receives code audits for their open-source code. However, these audits are based on the open-source code, not on what ends up being compiled for my final consumer execution. In the end, each project is a bucket of trust unless I know how to compile. And even then, there may be ways that something slips past us, but I understand that it would at least reduce the risk. I read that F-Droid did this: they didn’t trust the app creator, but rather compiled their own version from the open-source code. It seemed fantastic to me, but the problem was always the delay.

The question is: Couldn’t a program with AI be created to compile any GitHub repository directly? It would eliminate the need to trust even the developer themselves; we would only have to trust their code, as we already do today, and the audits would finally have real value. We would know that what we receive is that code.

I would also love for the concept of Flatpak to be like this: that the developer doesn’t sign the binary, but only signs the code, and Flathub (or some backend) creates everything automatically. And if there are doubts about Flathub or any other backend, users could do it locally. It would be a bit more tedious, but its value in privacy would be enormous.

By the way, if any of this already works this way and I am confused, please enlighten me.

Thank you very much, everyone!

  • argv_minus_one@beehaw.orgEnglish
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    1 year ago

    You’re still trusting whoever runs the compiler. If you rely on an AI to run the compiler, then you’re trusting the AI and whoever controls it.

    Moreover, I don’t believe AI is intelligent enough to meaningfully comprehend how to compile any project it’s handed. Every project is different and has its own requirements, including libraries and tools that must be installed on the machine that is to compile the project.

    There have been various attempts at standardizing the compilation of software, such that any standard-conforming project can be compiled in the same way as any other. F-Droid must have done that. But each of these standards make assumptions about the nature of the project being compiled, which makes it infeasible to compile some projects with them. For example, the Linux distribution Debian has its own standards for how packages are to be compiled, and you can compile any Debian package from source code with the same sequence of commands, but you can only compile a Debian package this way, and not, for example, a Windows application.

    There is value in what you’re proposing, but I don’t believe it’s possible at this point.