If I ignore/block them, it allows them to continue unchallenged. I hate getting into it with them, since they are a baseline idiot.
I guess that’s it. I saw a person with a 6 month account spouting garbage, was gonna block but thought perhaps that wasn’t morally responsible. Wondering what the options were.
It’s less about whether I’d feel mad, and more about how that materially affects our community. Left-leaning people are trying to make communities which allow all peoples (but not all ideas, like exterminating races and objectifying sexes), while plenty of conservatives (I don’t think the word ‘conservative’ truly applies, but many identify as conservative) are trying to exclude peoples they consider undesirables. If you wanted, you can walk into an anarcho-communist or M-L organization and, as long as you don’t offend them with any provoking symbols or offensive ideas, be welcomed. Not everyone can do the same in a reactionary community. So I don’t think it’s fair to equivocate anti-rightism with anti-leftism. (and, as a side note, if we want to talk about the rare ultra-liberalist (‘Libertarian’) free-speech everyone-welcome scenario, Lemmy already went through that with Wolfballs a few years back - their admin shut it down when they eventually realized they’d created a Nazi bar and that the WNs weren’t just being dumb and offensive as a joke.)
Furthermore, in the context of Lemmy overall, it was created by communists who were leaving reddit to avoid what you described:
Which is exactly what you and Lemmy are doing by saying conservatives are not welcome here. They are un-desired…ala undesirable. Can’t you see the irony of what you are saying?!
Take what you wrote and switch the words around. Change all the liberal words to Repubiclan. Then stand back and read it. Def sounds EXACTLY like how you all assume republicans talk and exclude.
Well, yes. It’s why conservatives recruit incels.
So there are no liberal incels?!
Looks like I touched a nerve.
You haven’t touched a nerve at all. I simply replied to your question. Is replying to a question or comment “touching a nerve”?!
If you say so.
Correct, I do say so. Looks like I touched a nerve with my reply to you. We cool?
No, their politics are unwanted. That’s a huge difference, it’s absurd to treat them as equal.
When I used the term ‘undesirables’, I didn’t mean literally ‘not desired’. I meant it in the context that reactionaries like NSDAP (Nazi Germany) and their modern fans use it - it referred to peoples like Slavs, Romani, Jews, black peoples, people with disabilities, homosexuals and ideological opponents, and more[1]. People, just because of their lineage, were considered subhuman (Untermensch) and sent to be deported or exterminated. And it’s absolutely applicable to the section of modern US conservatives (including their national leaders) who are currently embracing similar oppression of selected races and conditions. That’s the allusion I was making with the borrowed term ‘undersirables’, not just a person who is being offensive, starting fights and told to leave.
Identifying politically is a choice. One can refine their political positions, or even just be diplomatic and respectful, at any time, by choice. It’s very easy.
Being identified as a race, sex, or other similar category, is not a choice. So if you feel excluded because you named your account after two racist cunts and openly identify as ‘conservative’ in an anti-racist space, that’s something you can easily choose not to do if you actually want to be included. Don’t expect us to take you seriously when you compare that to the Republic party’s form of exclusion, oppressing people for how they were born, not how they choose to act in a society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany, introduction, paragraph 3 and more ↩︎
So because someones politics are different than yours, they shouldn’t be treated as equal. Hmmmm…
Now image a republican saying that about democrats. Imagine your outrage. LMAO
See, regardless of what Lemmy says, not every republican is a Nazi. This is why you all lost the election. Because you don’t account for how many different kinds of republicans there are.
And you’ll lose the next one if ya don’t wake up.
No.
Stopped reading there. If you’re just going to invent strawman arguments no-one said, instead of trying to read and reply to what I wrote, why even talk with you?
Guy, you literally said: “No, their politics are unwanted.”
Which means they are different than yours. I mean, hey you are free to stop reading. Def nothing says we have to have a conversation.
But unwanted politics means they are different than yours. Not sure why you found that so controversial.
I’m not gonna change your mind. You’re not gonna change my mind. And that’s ok. Carry on your way, and I’ll go mine.
Looking back, I didn’t realize what I said could have been misinterpreted, if one isolated it from the next paragraphs. Sorry for the snappy response.
To clarify, and as discussed in that following paragraphs, I’m saying it’s absurd to treat someone’s politics being unwanted as equal to someone themselves being considered unwanted.
What I found so controversial was that your post misframed my position as if I thought people should be treated differently simply because their politics are different. That’s not true. My politics are different to a M-L’s, and to an anarchist, and I get along alright with them. No, my problem isn’t that people have different ideas, my problem is that bigots and the like (many call themselves ‘conservatives’) aim to have innocent people oppressed and killed through their political beliefs and actions. Politics isn’t some civil abstract philosophical discussion. Politics isn’t distinct from material reality. It’s not harmless and innocent to just have a political position. When a neo-Nazi org tries to spread their propaganda in public (yes, there are people in my city who try this. and yes, I mean “quotes the NSDAP and means it” neo-Nazi), they aren’t simply just expressing an idea, this isn’t some isolated discussion in a vacuum, they’re attempting to build a political movement that promises to get my friends, co-workers, and a whole bunch of my community killed just for how they were born. And we have a duty to protect the people we care about from being killed by fascists.
So when we “ban” that Nazi from feeling safe to express those politics in public, it’s not because we’re ‘triggered’ that they dared to have different politics, we’re responding appropriately to a credible, albeit not imminent, threat. Same with the non-nazi bigotry regularly seen among self-proclaimed “conservatives”, it’s people trying to make others excluded from society based on how they were born. That’s a threat to our safety.
So, again, like I said before, it’s absurd to equivocate people being banned for posting bigotry and reactionary ideologies, to people being considered “an undesirable”, a subhuman.
I couldn’t care less - I hope Biden and Kamala get shot alongside Trump and Vance. ¯_ (ツ)_/¯
Obviously. The US electoral system is undemocratic garbage and which party people identify with isn’t an indication of their political worldview - the Democrats are repulsive and harmful to the social justice movements they pretend to campaign for, I can’t blame anyone for opposing them. There is no good or even adequate option until you get into the minor parties, who most probably don’t know much about.
But, the party leadership has plenty of people who, for all intents and purposes, mirror the policies and tactics of the NSDAP circa 1933. They even managed to get the ultranationalism started (see Canada, Greenland). Nazi is an appropriate label for them, including Trump and Musk, to be clear.
If one wants to say all the supporters and footsoldiers aren’t Nazis because they’re too ignorant to understand what they’re supporting or think it’s the lesser evil, I say it’s pointless semantics. The minority of Germans who voted for the NSDAP pre-takeover are known to history as Nazis. The Wehrmacht who “fought for their country” instead of fighting their government are known to history as “Nazi soldiers”. Complicity is not innocent, people were hanged for “just following orders”. So, if you’re not a Nazi (and I don’t think you are one) you’re going to have to make your actions speak.
To be honest, I don’t take any politics very seriously. I realize that Lemmy has a more tech slant that attracts peoples who’s brains work, um, a little different. And more on here are apt to get fixated on something.
But i’m not one of those. So many here make politics their entire identity. I don’t.
It’s fun to discuss here and there. But my real life is just about fucking women, chilling with friends, fucking around with AI stuff and enjoying life.
I think Lemmy takes politics WAY too seriously and way too personally.
Most politicians suck. Most aren’t really looking out for us. So I just do my own thing.
But, you must understand, to many people politics is very personal, whether they like it or not.
You are very lucky to be able to do your own thing, to have the privilege of politics being fun and not very serious. But to millions of people, this is, literally, a life and death matter.