Why YSK: If you are a US Resident, don’t lose your Social Security card more than 10 times, or else you might need to respawn 💀
Excerpt from Wikipedia:
In accordance with §7213 of the 9/11 Commission Implementation Act of 2004 and 20 CFR 422.103, the number of replacement Social Security cards per person is generally limited to three per calendar year and ten in a lifetime.
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Social security numbers need to be phased out. Such a ridiculous and outdated system.
It’s important to remember social security numbers were created ONLY to track Social Security benefits. And the Social Security Bureau continually advised everyone to please not use them for a way to teach other things, but no one listened so here we are. The Bureau readily admits it’s not designed to do anything else . https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19697506/#%3A~%3Atext=Abstract%2Cas+a+nearly+universal+identifier.
But they’re shit even for that. Part of tracking Social Security benefits is tracking taxes paid to Social Security. Unlike other forms of ID, like credit cards, SSNs have no check digits or other means of error prevention. Take a valid SSN. Change on of the digits. That new number is also a valid SSN. Any random 9-digit number can be a valid SSN.
What this means is that all it takes to screw up any form with an SSN on it is to have illegible handwriting on a single one of the digits. You make a single easy error on an employment form, and now your SS taxes are registered under the wrong number.
I’m also skeptical of the Social Security Bureau’s stance on insisting it wasn’t intended as a broad identifier. OF COURSE it was going to be used as an identifier! It’s the only single ID number that the federal government gives out to everyone. OF COURSE it’s going to be used for that. Such a number is of such obvious and great utility that of course it was going to be used for broader purposes. If you create something of such obvious utility, you have an obligation to make sure it’s made well.
It also really strains credulity when Social Security has an entire system dedicated to allowing third parties to verify SSNs. It’s literally called The Social Security Verification Service.
If the Social Security Administration really didn’t want SSNs being used for purposes other than Social Security, then they could have easily prevented them for being used for such purposes. Think about how your SSN works with your bank. You apply for a bank account. They ask you your SSN. You tell them. But how do they know that this information is accurate? Your bank contacts Social Security! The bank has a form you sign that gives permission for them to as the Social Security Bureau to confirm your SSN. And the Social Security office happily obliges.
The Social Security Administration doesn’t just tolerate the use of SSNs for third party uses. It actively facilitates such third party uses of SSNs.
You’re noticing all the things that have happened since the Bureau have up trying to prevent the usage. Remember there was no way to electronically do anything like this for decades after the SSN was created. And the Bureau has no authority to enforce any kind of prevention, but was forced to support it’s usage as a result of the Federal government lack of action to come up with any other system for the last 90 years.
I was going to say the first thing we’d recognize as a computer didn’t get built until over a decade after SSN’s were established.
Any random 9-digit number can be a valid SSN.
Not true - there are whole ranges that specifically aren’t in use (mostly specific values for the first three digits that are intentionally not used). Outside those ranges though, yeah, basically any 9 digit number. Add one to the last digit of your SSN and if you were born before 2014 you likely get someone born in the same hospital on the same day.
Yup. It’s ridiculous that it’s snowballed into this precious secret that you have to give to most employers 🤦🏻
In slight fairness, your employer has to set up payroll so that part of your paycheck automatically goes to Social Security. So they kind of need it, since there’s not another way to track that you get proper credit for paying in to Social Security. Unless you are self employed and you send the money directly in yourself.
we should just give everyone a uuid.
Just brand a number into their necks, that should make things easier
I take 1
Right? Children should be minted as on the block chain. They’re basically NFTs.
Huh, at a glance, that might actually be a good use for the blockchain.
Blockchain is a ledger, not a database.
DNA already has blockchain vibes. We could unravel the … transactions if we understood all the code.
DNA
transactions
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So if I have a child, I can use them as speculative currency?
How much does this NFT go for?
I’d say the sum of their organs and borrowing power of their credit score.
Organs are not worth as much as they used to
Sir, are you trying to sell a child?
Yes! How much do you want for it? I only accept payment in bottlecaps, and nuke-soda.
Why? Because the system itself is arcane and could be done smarter? Or because the government has no business being able to distinguish between people with the same name? I need to understand this before going into a discussion with you.
Or because the government has no business being able to distinguish between people with the same name?
Seems like an objectively terrible approach, considering people with the same name have gotten the same SSN before.
Such an ID would have to be unique.
That would fall into the first category… Also, wtf? How can the same SSN be issued twice?!? It’s a frigging serial number, not a condom at a whore house.
Sometimes there’s a limited supply of condoms and an endless need ….
SSN is 9 digits long, one billion possibilities. While that sounds like a lot, that’s less than triple the number of Americans currently alive, and there’s a continuous progression of new births and older people passing requiring a continuous flow of new SSNs being used. In an 80 year average lifespan where you are holding an SSN,that continuous usage goes through the available numbers all too quickly.
Even worse, numbers used to be allocated by area, meaning there were a lot of wasted numbers where growth didn’t match expectations, and corresponding shortages where numbers needed to be re-used because of local scarcity
Roughly 1/7 SSNs are issued twice. SSNs are recycled, used multiple times, all that good stuff.
This is why it’s incredibly dangerous when people assume they are unique.
How can the same SSN be issued twice?!?
The SSN system is bad in almost every way it is possible for an ID system to be bad. If you ask “does it really do this dumb thing?”, the answer is probably yes.
Like you, I am waiting to see what asinine response they give.
Wasn’t going to bother answering because it was an asinine question. Obviously the first one.
so if you want to ruin someones life, just steal their social security card 10 times?
I mean… you could just falsely accuse them of being a terrorist. 🤷♂️
You could just falsely accuse them of being an immigrant.
It’s a legit fear I have going to a protest as a Latino. They say don’t take IDs with you to protests. Bruh, I’m taking my US Passport so I don’t get deported to Guantanamo. No guarantee that will work either.
Your SS card has been redeemed, you have 8 protests remaining. Enroll in citizenship plus for $999,999,999.99 and get 100 lifetime SS card replacements, plus a month of Tesla+ on us!
They say don’t take IDs with you to protests.
The point is don’t lose it in the protest so it gets you identified.
But if you are an at-risk minority group, of course you bring it. Better risk getting identified than getting (unconstitutionally) deported.
Take: Driver’s license or other standard ID, DL is also good to order an extra copy of. Bring copies of any other documents you want on you.
At home/safe house: someone with copies of your documents and access to originals that WILL search and call to find you if you don’t come back on time.
Driver License doesn’t prove citizenship.
Even “REAL ID” only proves legal status, but not proof of citizenship.
A passport card would prove citizenship.
What happens if someone gets married a lot and keeps needing a new card with new name?
Now I’m wondering what the maximum number of times someone has been married. Elizabeth Taylor was married 8 times (twice to Burton, so she could have reused that one if she kept it) But if she took her husband’s last name legally (while keeping her stage name) each time, she would have been pushing the limit, and over it if she went back to her maiden name, lost any cards, or didn’t keep old ones… Or if her lawyers were like, don’t change your name legally again after husband 5?
I guess they’re not replacement cards but newly issued ones
Yeah I think this is to counter someone selling theirs on purpose replacing it. Guess the number is just honestly an estimate of what could reasonably happen, but then it’s still 3 a year. But then again you couldn’t definitely have such bad luck to lose your wallet thrice a year.
Anyways, I’d assume that if (well before the US went totally mad) there was an actually reasonable case of someone encountering the limit who clearly wasn’t a fraudster, it’d probably be amended.
But that’s just my cursed optimism, probably doesn’t reflect reality.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-20/chapter-III/part-422/subpart-B/section-422.103
We may allow for reasonable exceptions to these limits on a case-by-case basis in compelling circumstances. We also will consider name changes (i.e., verified legal changes to the first name and/or surname) and changes in alien status which result in a necessary change to a restrictive legend on the SSN card (see paragraph (e)(3) of this section) to be compelling circumstances, and will not include either of these changes when determining the yearly or lifetime limits.
Who down-voted you? You answered my idle thought with the sauce!! Thank you!!
I don’t get it. Is a social secuirty thingy the same as what National ID’s are for in other countries?
Yes, but in that typically bonkers American way you also have to keep it secret (so nobody can steal your identity), while at the same time revealing it to every Tom, Dick and Harry every time you have to prove your identity.
If you know their name and their location I believe you can make a very well educated guess at their social security number too
I assume most people’s social security numbers are out on the dark web nowadays.
Salt typhoon leak a few months ago released 60 million of them iirc.
It’s not supposed to be an identifier, but since it’s the only nationally-assigned designation all citizens get it’s treated like one.
Which is stupid. It’s incredibly insecure, vitally important, leaked to every bad actor on the planet already, and unchangeable when it gets compromised (which it has been).
Sounds fitting for a country run by Trump of all people.
Its been an issue long before he came around
Yes, sort of, but in a stupid way. The number is treated as a unique identifier of a person, but you don’t carry it around since it’s so insecure.
Why not just use the passport number? Or does your passport have the SS number?
Not everyone has a passport and you use SSN to get one. Passports are relatively rare for a lot of people in the US.
Interesting. In europe it’s made simpler because we have the same number on our ID and our Passport. And in many european countries that is what’s used for identification from the government. And for all the welfare / bank and stuff.
In the US nobody would want an official single identifier across multiple services and agencies like that, even though our SSN is essentially used that way. People don’t want to be tracked and linked by a single identifier, arguably because it would be abused by commercial and/or government interests, and then there’s the conspiracy nuts that would come up with who knows what reasons, and religious nuts that view a unique identifier as a “mark of the beast” or whatever.
People a fucking weird over here.
I’m not driving I’m simply traveling!
Not everyone has a passport.
Yesn’t.
In a nutshell, Social Security is a government run pension/retirement savings system. With a few exceptions you can look up on your own if you’re curious, every American worker pays into the social security system as a tax on income. Each person in the system, so basically everyone working a job in the US, gets an account number, their Social Security Number.
For awhile after the system started, you’d get your SSN when you got your first job. At some point, they introduced a tax credit for parents with children, if you had a child you could deduct them on your taxes. People started claiming they had more kids than they did to pay less taxes. Sure, let’s just tell the government we have 12 kids, they won’t know we only have 5. The solution to this problem was to require the children being claimed had social security numbers. This had two effects: 1. it got rid of those “paper children,” and 2. Signing up for social security and getting a social security number is part of being born; every American now has a serial number, issued on a card.
The kind of people who are ruining our nation right now are opposed to a national ID system because they hate being part of a functioning society. So we don’t have a national ID card the way many nations do. State governments issue a number of IDs of various types, the de facto standard for identification in the US is a driver’s license. The vast majority of Americans have one. But, not all. The only unique number common to (practically) ALL Americans is a Social Security Number.
Numbers like credit card numbers or sanely designed ID systems have built-in checksums, not every number that fits the regex for a Visa card number is a valid Visa card number. A social security number doesn’t have that; it wasn’t intended as an ID number, it’s an account number, you can tell when and where it was issued by looking at it because it’s a serial number. And because most Americans younger than the president were issued their numbers at birth, you can guess a lot of their number based on where and when they were born. The last four digits are a simple serial number…and often used by banks and such as a second factor. “Okay, just tell me your date of birth and the last four of your social.” the bank teller will ask you out loud.
It’s something we’re gonna have to fix after the war.
every American worker pays into the social security system as a tax on income.
One irritating note on this: there’s a limit to how much social security tax you pay per year. So if you’re making a lot of income, you just stop paying this tax partway through the year.
This is pants on head stupid and regressive. It should be the other way around. Your first, let’s say $10,000 should be exempt from the tax, and it should get steeper as income goes up.
Rich guy absolutely does not need the bump in take home pay from hitting the cap. Poor guy definitely could use the extra income early income not being taxed.
I’m just so mad all the time about people licking the boots of the rich. They don’t need breaks! They’re rich! They’re going to be fine!
Plus those drivers licenses …. Are issued by states and until recently had no real value as a national id. Now we are trying to phase in “Real ID” where those drivers licenses have to meet national standards and be verifiable as a national ID. It hasn’t gone well and keeps getting pushed back, so we’ll see if it really happens this time.
As the forcing function they are requiring Real ID to fly even within the country. Soon you will no longer be able to use a normal drivers license.
But my state screwed up where I paid extra to get a Real ID compliant license but after a mess of lost paperwork they issued a standard license. So I’m not Real ID compliant and they say I can’t get one until my next renewal in a couple years, which means I soon can’t use that as ID to fly. To add to this mess, that means my only alternative is using a passport, even for local flights. And many Americans don’t have passports.
Very explicitly no, but it’s the closest thing so we use it as though it were. It’s supposed to be your identifier for our national pension program and nothing more. But any time we propose a national id for benefits and general ease of use purposes people lose their shit, despite often not being the people protesting the existence of the nsa or the patriot act.
How many times until they catch the cocksuckers that keep stealing them then?
At 44, I’m pretty sure it’s been stolen ten times.
Or better yet, unfuck the system that requires us to have the damned things?
Where are you keeping your social security card that it keeps getting stolen? Is it in your wallet or in your house somewhere and your getting broken into a whole bunch?
have you heard of the internet?
Wait, I can put physical objects there? I’ve been storing all of my stuff in the real world like a dummy.
ah, op means getting the actual card stolen? thats impressive. ssn gets leaked mostly through cyber events.
i’ve never had my SS card stolen because it stays at home inside of the random shit drawer
i’ve also never had my SSN stolen. maybe i’m just lucky but I don’t recall a time I ever inputted my SSN online besides the last 4 digits for some ID verification
GRANTED I agree that the 10 cards rule is silly. I think it was written for a different time. and realistically, you could lose your SSN card every 6 years from 18 years old ↦ 78 years old and you’ll only be denied at 78.
by then hopefully we’ve modernized the system a bit. maybe that’s too optimistic
More likely forget where it is. How often do you need to use it? Likely it gets stashed in some place and forgotten.
I learned this for my parents because they had to keep getting me new ones. They got my name incorrect 9 times, the social security office. So my parents kept going back and then they warned them I’m close to the limit. My mom and dad we’re pissed because my parents didn’t lose it the office kept making a mistake but it doesn’t matter. Now my mom keeps it so it doesn’t get lost.
After that they come round and tattoo it onto your forehead.
I had to replace mine once. Put it in a safer spot and haven’t had to move it since. I can’t imagine what someone is doing where they’d need to replace a social security card 10 times.
Some people don’t live in the same place all of their lives.
Some people are dumb and carry it in their wallet.
Shiiiiiet I’m like 2-3 away probably lol
hopefully all record of replacements will seem gay for some reason and get scrubbed.
"It’s for TRANSactions? DEFUNDED!
Is it not the same thing as Canadian SIN?
I don’t understand how can you lose it? It’s just a number. If you forget it, you can login into CRA (Canadian IRS) website and see it there and you can print it if you want for some reason.
That’s what I always wondered: the card is a simple printout with no security features, no real verification, no biometrics. In the current day especially, it would be trivial to print one indistinguishable from original. They have no value as an ID card, yet are somehow treated as if they were.
The SS card doesn’t make sense as anything other than a reminder of your number, but it’s sometime treated as a form of ID. It just doesn’t make sense
Its a number but also on a physical card. The physical card is often used as one form of proving you are who you say you are (like getting a license, passport, etc).
My last job required the actual physical card for some reason 🤔
Every job I’ve ever had required me to bring the card so they could make a copy of it.
The number’s 10 now? It was 3
I mean, the card isn’t ID, and you should have your number memorized by now.
They upped the number to 10? Last time I had to replace mine (about 10-20 years ago), the limit was set to 3.
3 per year. 10 per lifetime. To my understanding that’s been the standard since a limit was introduced.
Maybe they changed it because y’all lose it too much 😁
Avoid paying taxes with this one weird trick
How do we convince sovereign citizens that by claiming, and then burning, all their 10 replacement cards, they get loopholes out of paying federal income taxes?
Give them a federally issued punch card and say after you lose 10 social security cards you get a free sub and chips combo
That’s not the way it works.
Ummm have you ever seen Elon Musk’s social security card??? And how much tax does he pay??? That’s what I thought.
I would like to see Elon Musk’s birth certificate. He shouldn’t be president if he isn’t a legal citizen.
It’s somewhere in South Africa. And just in case, you have to be a citizen of the US by birth to be eligible for the presidency.
That’s why he’s “not” the president…
“Never try to argue with an idiot. He’ll drag you down to his level and then win by experience.”
Samuel Clemens
Yes you can’tn’t
Oh, a gif! I take back everything I said.
Checkmate theist
My ass it isnt commie
From what I’ve heard, your rear end has been attacked more than Stalingrad was.
jk
