• NoiseColor @lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    …till the eventual next invasion against which Ukraine will have no ability to defend itself from because of the concessions.

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      There’s no need for a next invasion if the conditions specified above are met.

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          Crimea is a different conversation.

          Let’s be serious, if Mexico was about to join a Russia or China led alliance, would the U.S. not invade Mexico? The U.S. would impose neutrality to Mexico. You can also refer to the Cuba missile crisis.

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            And Hitler only invaded France because France declared war on Germany.

            There were no German ambitions in France beyond Alsace-Lorraine, had they not done anything in response to the German-Polish war then France would have been spared.

            Therefore France is responsible for every war crime the nazis committed in France.

            I really hope I don’t need explain why this logic is imperialist apologia.

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            The problem with your statements is that you’re putting your hypothetical dictator-led bullshit on the same level as NATO membership. They aren’t the same thing, they will never be the same thing. Putin is a spineless, cowardly, asswipe of a dictator whose word is worth fuck-all, as evidenced by lying about not invading Ukraine last time. Then Crimea happened. Then this invasion happened.

            Shit, half the reason we have militaries to begin with is because of the existence of narcissists who claw their way into power by any means necessary, stepping on anyone and anything they can to do so.

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            Baltics have been in this alliance since 2004. What danger did that prove to pose to Russia?

            Ukraine and all other post-Soviet countries rushed into NATO after being invaded, pillaged, and raped repeatedly by Russians for decades or centuries. You think this is comparable to Mexico/US? Russian aggression is a top reason for NATO’s growth, e.g. now thanks to the genius “special military operation”, Sweden and Finland joined and the border Russia shares with NATO doubled.

            Get a clue vatnik

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            If the US invaded Mexico and then asked it not to join any military alliance? I think you’d be hard pressed to find somebody who’d find those demands acceptable, even here

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        That’s a very stupid premise. You think Ukraine should surrender now only to be surely destroyed later. You think that is preferable to fighting for their freedom.

        I don’t know what kind of coward thinks in such terms. No offense.

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              I have seen this account commenting on other posts relating to Ukraine / Russia war. Always the same premise that Ukraine back down, leave itself unprotected and it will be all good. Obviously totally ignoring prior history or the fact Russia can coexist with other fully armed NATO neighbours at it other borders without invading them.

              You could drive yourself mad arguing with these nitwits so best to ignore and move on.

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                Don’t ignore them and move on. At least give them a private tag of “Russian shill” or similar so it is easy to identify and call them out next time so others don’t waste their time.

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        You seriously think you can trust something what Putin says? That’s some next level stupidity and ignorance, please, educate yourself.