i dont know on how many of my accounts back then on reddit were banned for pointing out the moz board is just trash. more than 10 i am sure. again and again people dont want to hear they are wrong. still cant tell people THEY are the problem when using apple or google accounts, but those digital imbeciles tell me about the dangers of deepseek.thankfully in a globalised world natural selection is back on the map and not adapting to modern society puts you in place. so everyone can stick to their wrong beliefs and not vax, have accounts with google or even vote trump…be as dumb as you want…keep telling yourself mozilla is “the good guys”… iphones are secure and manufactured without slave labour.
It’s frustrating that the last bastion of hope against total Google dominance of the browser market has no sense of direction at all and is constantly tripping over rakes.
Personally, i still belive in not giving Google market dominance but that’s mainly because I want the web to thrive, and competition breeds innovation.
With that said, these ToS are making me leave FF, although I am going to Librefox and Fenec now
I wonder how they can expect to get more users like that. Their user are privacy conscious, this is the move to lose them. I am thinking about using tor browser on android. I don’t see any other alternative.
Check out Fenec
Why why why don’t they just do like Wikipedia or the Internet Archive does and just come out and ask for donations instead of trying to sneak all this advertising shit into things?
EDIT: Another idea, which I’m sure they’ll never consider, is to host actual @thunderbird.net email addresses which could be paid for. People at this very minute are looking for Proton Mail replacements, and this could be one of them . . .
Vivaldi use default Bookmarks and search engines (Startpage, DDG, Ecosia, Qwant and some others), which pay an revenue if the user optional use these (anonym), apart accept donations and there is also an Merch Store. So it avoid third party investors, ads and tracking and so it stay independent, no needs to share user data with third parties. You can delete all these bookmarks and Search engines if you don’t use these, using others to your like (easy to add with the context menu). All this permits to support the additional services which has the user with his account, own Webmail (5GB), Blog page, Calendar, Feed, mail client, sync ee2e of all browser data, settings, bookmarks, extensions…, apart permit to participate in the Vivaldi instance in Mastodon.
https://gitlab.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox
i can suggest ironfox, the fork of mull for android
Why don’t they use the official fdroid repo?
I’m switching to Librewolf. I don’t want ads in my browser.
This seems like a great time to install LibreWolf.
Yes, but even more important to avoid sync with an Mozilla account, if you need the sync function (maybe Filen?) (Vivaldi has an own sync EE2E)
Is File selfhostable & FOSS ?
AFAIK the sync is end to end encrypted
Yes, Mozilla sync is encrypted, but your account data is sended to Alphabet (Google) and tracked by googleanalytics and google-tagmanager.
I just switched to Bitwarden for passwords
That’s the best free option, and possibly best option overall. I’ve been with them for about five years now and it’s been great.
Firefox sync is E2EE too (or at least can be, mine is)
i think you can have it sync to a self hosted server, also an option.
You can, but the last time I did that the instructions were incomplete, and you still had to auth through Mozilla. That was a few years ago, so things might have changed since then.
They’ve released an update, and I’m just generally confused: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-terms-of-use/
I fully believe that they didn’t intend for it to sound so… all encompassing, but this update makes me even more confused. What data is “uploaded” to firefox? I just thought Firefox was the browser, not some website. Do they mean the services Mozilla offers?
This doesn’t make any sense to me either. Why do they need a license for what you type into Firefox if that data never gets shared with Mozilla?
I don’t know a single application that you need to give a license to so they can handle your data locally.
Exactly.
We’ve seen a little confusion about the language
Tastes like “I’m sorry you feel that way”
The privacy notice document lists how each data type is used. It includes in-browser ads on the new tab page, AI chatbots, and “to market our services”.
I’m glad I use a fork, even if it much more unstable. Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.
Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.
Maybe that’s why Mozilla quit contributing to it.
Igalia is currently working hard on making it easy to use Servo as an embeddable browser engine similar to how Chromium can be used.
The problems of doing that with Gecko, the browser engine that powers Firefox, is main reason why there are so few alternative browsers based on it.
Also because Blink is the best and most advanced engine. The problem of Chromium is only that it need to gut out the Google APIs before it is a valid base for an browser. Vivaldi does it, also degoogled Chromium and even EDGE (but in change filling it with a ton of M$ tracking APIs). The only alternative (Linux only) is the Konqueror Browser with the Grandfather of Blink, KHTML by KDE (German company).
Gnome web is also decent but not great for power users. It’s based on Webkit.
The problem of using blink is that then you give more power to google. They are the ones developing it, so they can decide what goes in it… cough jpegxl cough…
Yes, Google can decide what goes in it, but because it’s FOSS, any other can decide what to delete from it. The power of Google isn’t Chromium, but the Chrome Store, it’s services, and all Websites which use Google APIs. Vivaldi has less relations with Google than Mozilla/Firefox, it don’t have third party investors or sponsors, like Mozilla, which depends on Google ads and money and recently also from another advertising company, loosing it’s independence with it.
I wasn’t talking about putting stuff in, I was talking about removing it. You say it’s open source, but google decides what contributions are added to the main repo. Even if you fork it, if it’s not in upstream, it won’t be used.
Jpegxl is a really cool image format that google hates for some reason. Every major company wanted chrome to support it, amazon, facebook, etc. but google said no, and guess what, no one can do anything about it. If you use blink you’re a slave to google.
Or why do they have a world wide right for anything entered into Firefox.
God dammit, and just as Google starts enforcing manifest 3. Maybe it’s time to stop doing this internet thing altogether. It had a pretty nice run but right now it’s just a propaganda and compliance tool…
I was on the verge of deleting everything online, including my email address, because I’m with you, but at what point does the privacy movement start intruding on enjoyment of daily activity. I’ve accepted that my information will be had in exchange for a good product.
It’s not exactly how I want to operate, but also, life is too short. Ultimately, I’m on the verge of using Mullvad Browser, Mullvad VPN, and probably getting my email hosted out of some small shared hosting platform somewhere.
I think about this type of stuff daily and it’s just exhausting. The Internet has transformed into what we’d hoped it wouldn’t over the past five years.
Bring back ham radios.
Ah shit I’m too introverted to use my voice…
Data packets through radio?
Btw: Rattlegram is a Android/iOS app that can convert text to audio, which you can then play over a ham radio. You can use encryption before you paste the ciphertext into Rattlegram. (Encryption over radio is illegal in many jurisdictions tho… 🏴☠️)
(Encryption over radio is illegal in many jurisdictions tho… 🏴☠️)
Unless the police do it.
Because they got a fucking licence
Us plebs don’t have the privilage
Data packets through radio?
Software Defined Radio?
From my understanding, they’re pushing this shit on March 14th.
π
Also our next lunar eclipse, at least in the USA.
Check out the gemini protocol and the small web, lots of rabbit holes there.
What’s the best alternative? This doesn’t sound great…
anyone up to date on how servo has been doing?
And Firefox is no longer my browser. Tada.
do you mean you use a more privacy oriented fork like Librewolf, or instead some chrome/chromium derivative or fork?
US companies are not longer trustworth
Capital is the problem, not nationality.
Yes, but also non existent US privacy policy. There the users are simply raw material for the benefit of large corporations and user rights an incomprehensible communist phrase, to make America great again. The EU at least put limits to these abuses.
because US capital decided so. notice that the limits the EU has are slowly being undermined.
That website actually promotes Firefox, you know. Not sure it fits this thread.
Also from the “European” recommendations, Vivaldi is Chromium, and Mullvad is Tor, which is Firefox.
I’m really glad this exists! Thanks for sharing it!
So what’s the next best thing to use, preferably one that supports uBlock?
Librewolf it comes with uBlock installed.
I’ll be moving to https://github.com/schizofox/schizofox on my x86 machines.
Mobile will be a fork of Firefox.
https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird is a project I’m keeping an eye on, will be a while off being a daily driver.
There is only firefox, chrome, or safari to chose from. I just use a firefox fork.
If you’re sticking to Firefox-based browsers, Waterfox seems to be the fork closest to Firefox without being controlled by Mozilla.
I use Vivaldi (EU), it has an inbuild adblocker. In chromium browsers Mv3 means that Mv2 Extensions are eliminated from the Chrome Store in June this Year. Mv3 adblockers are still there, there is uBO light (same as uBO, but without element picker) and Adblock Plus, which is pretty equivalent to uBO. The inbuild ad/trackerblocker (customizable with own filterlists or those from uBO, DDG, AdBlock plus and others) in Vivaldi isn’t affected by Mv3 and pretty effective (>99% in the test). In extensions other than those related to security and privacy, it’s irrelevant for the user if they are Mv2 or Mv3 and mostly redundant in Vivaldi.
If you prefer Gecko browsers, the only one from the EU is the Mullvad Browser (Sweden), which can still use uBO, but also Gecko Browser will not support Mv2 all eternity because the related different cookie management used by most webpages with Google APIs, also apart from the will of the devs to continue developing MV2 for a minority engine, such as Gecko (~ 4% Market Share).
Yay, π
IYKYK
I don’t know, could you explain please
see this other post: https://lemmy.ml/post/26518180/16957376
Hint, look at the date this gets pushed, :)
No, we all got the pi = march 14 part, but WTF does that have to do with anything?
It’s not just March 14th, it’s also our next lunar eclipse (here in the US at least), peak eclipse at about 1:59am…
3.14159
I set alarms in my watch months ago, before ever learning how that date is also going to affect technology and security certificates and shit.
I do hope the weather will be nice early that morning to be able to see the π lunar eclipse at least.
It’s a cosmic cabal! The aliens are coming!
ohh nice!
