Summary
The U.S. announced $5.9 billion in additional aid to Ukraine, including $2.5 billion in military support and $3.4 billion in budget assistance, as President Biden finalizes his term.
This brings total U.S. military aid since 2022 to $61.4 billion and budget aid to over $30 billion, supporting Ukraine’s government and military amid intensifying Russian attacks.
Biden emphasized the importance of continued support, though uncertainty looms under Trump, who has questioned U.S. involvement.
Treasury Secretary Yellen warned against cutting aid, calling Ukraine’s success vital to U.S. interests.
Please attack the argument, not the person. We have civility rules here. If you feel someone is trolling or spreading misinformation, report them to the moderators.
Agreed though I struggle with it. It’s not the best choice but it’s better than nothing. So by default, better world than before the decision. Still struggling though with separating a good deed from way too little way too fucking late and, sorry I can’t stop myself, a decision by way too fucking old a fart thst won’t last to see the end of the next four years.
And again Tha ks for he call to civil ty and objectivism. Just do fucking hard…
/ed: adjusted for correct English figure of speech. “too little too late”
Send it all today or I guarantee you Trump will find some excuse to withdraw it.
Trump would never! /s
At least not as long as Zelensky helps Trump find
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WTF, they cut funding to the IRS, they could have easily increased funding and it would pay for itself.
They could literally afford to give everyone 2’000 dollars. You saw Trump do it to get reelected.
They just don’t want to. Never believe their budget resictions.
“We can’t afford it” = “We think not taxing corporations and billionaires is more important”
Too little, too late Biden. You played for Russia for your entire presidency.
Imagine 91.4 billion dollars going to the country that the tax payer money came from.
Imagine if the US didn’t do a lend-lease deal to the USSR during WWII… There wouldn’t be a Russia today. Most of Europe would be known as “Germany”. And Japan would be ruling most of the Pacific.
The U.S. gave a ton of military aid to countries getting invaded by the Nazis too.
What a terrible idea, am I right?
It’s a proxy war so the US military industrial complex and politicians can make more money. It’s unfortunate two countries are fighting but it’s not the problem of the US people. Also you can’t fix other’s problems if you (the USA) have too many problems of your own that need attending to first. I would not compare this to WWII, and hopefully it doesn’t turn into a nuclear WWIII because of the US antagonizations.
Russia is the only antagonist here.
I disagree. NATO kept pushing military equipment closer and closer to Russia when that went against the initial agreement years back.
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Nations are allowed to determine who they ally themselves with. I mean, Russia keeps pushing their version of NATO. Does that mean the US is allowed to start invading countries, with that excuse?
Can we invade Russia because they are “moving to close to us”?
So this is a reason for a war of aggression?
I mean Hitler had the same narrative about Polen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_September_1939_Reichstag_speech?wprov=sfla1
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Just FYI it’s totally possible for non-shills/bots to support Russia. They can be real people just with different experiences, values and/or information diets than you.
Like to me it’s pretty obvious who the bad guys in the war are (russia). But to a Belarusian it’s probably not so clear (in fact I’ve met a Belarusian that feels this way).
Writing people off as shills/bots gives a false sense of security (not exactly the passing I want but close enough I guess)
I think it’s much healthier to say something like “your head is so far up your ass it’s difficult to understand you”.
I appreciate your comment, and I agree with most of it. But ultimately, I think its critical to call out disinformation from the Kremlin.
I know that sometimes I’ll get it wrong, and I regret that, but even then it calls attention to the issue I’m addressing.
I have no I’ll will towards the average Russian, many of them are good people, I know because I’ve met a lot of them. If they, or Belorussians etc. are upset by my vitriol, they should stop and ask themselves why I’m angry.
The Kremlin is fucking with democracies around the world, theyre waging a vultural war that targets the fabric of societies. I hate them for that. If someone is offended but doesn’t care to understand why I’m angry, they can eat shit.
Fair enough I get all that. My contention is that writing off commenters as shills and bots underestimates the size of the problem.
I agree that the Kremlin targets the fabric of our society. But they have succeeded to the point that we can’t just cut off the affected parts. It’s too pervasive. We need to mend and reinforce the damaged fabric. Idk if you’re confident they’re shills/bots/trolls then I guess you’re right, but what if they’re just ignorant?
Good point, and I can’t always be right, I know. If I suspect someone is a real person I almost always treat them with respect because, as you say, we need to mend the fabric.
I think I’m doing more good than harm because even if I get it wrong, I’m highlighting the issue. If someone sees me call out suspected disinformation, maybe they’ll think more critically.
At the end of the day, I dislike doing it, but I think its the right thing to do.
WWII was also a proxy war before the U.S. got directly involved.
I would absolutely compare this to WWII. This is the invasion of Poland and Putin had his sights on Moldova as well originally. He’s also working on his own axis of power with North Korea and Iran.
I truly believe WW3 has already begun. The big question is what side the US will end up on.
WWII was also a proxy war before the U.S. got directly involved.
fucking lol.
It was Germany, Japan, and Italy (And Russia initially) trying to conquer the globe. Nothing very “proxy” about that.
It’s a proxy war
It is?
So, Russia is a puppet of the US?
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The US helped invade Ukraine? Wild.
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NATO invaded Ukraine? Wild.
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HAHAHAHA 😂😂 None of those are Ukraine.
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I don’t know how many times this needs to be explained, but this is not money. It is not stacks of cash we could use to hand out to the homeless, or to rent them apartments.
This is war materiel. Artillery shells, vehicles, etc. It is assigned a dollar value. This is stuff we have sitting in warehouses, sometimes pretty old and in need of replacement anyway.
I’m no fan of the military industrial complex, but these donations could even be seen as a way to create American jobs in American factories, building modern replacements for what is being sent.
For most of this stuff it would cost more to dispose of than it does to send it to Ukraine. And when they send the old stuff, someone gets a job creating new stuff to replace it.
Well said. I’ve had countless conversations about this as well. Either people are too ignorant to understand military aid or are arguing in bad faith. It’s kind of insane how many upvotes these comments get.
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You do know we can do more than one thing at time, right? Increase taxes on the rich, reduce subsidies for fossil fuels, those are just two off the top of my head. So, yes, strictly speaking you’re right that a certain amount can help offset things, but it doesn’t mean it needs to come from here.
Also, what do you mean by “we helped create”. Fairly certain the US didn’t tell Putin to go invade a sovereign country.
Oh do tell how we helped create this war. I can’t wait to hear this bullshit.
EDIT tick tock MFer… taps watch
Oh we did - by basically sitting on our hands
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Just because I don’t like Zelensky consequently I am Russian? hahahaja
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Putin pays me very well, of course
I don’t have anything to add to that. Enjoy the new year, man :)
you too
Or you have every single hit released by Putin, including the Christmas special where you can see Elon Musk covered in jingle bells jumping around in the background.
Part of me thinks this could actually be a real thing.
You know what you are, otherwise you would have stuck to a hexbear or lemmy.ml user
Yeah…
It’s more russian sympathizer than a meme
Does this make you feel good spreading Russian propaganda?
Russia invaded Ukraine in a fascist land grab just like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin at the beginning of WW2
To be fair Russia had been screaming for 8 years that if America didn’t stop messing around in Ukraine that it would force them to go to war. Wasn’t like they just one day woke up and decided to invade for no reason.
if America didn’t stop messing around in Ukraine
Ukraine, as a sovereign nation, has the right to associate with whomever they want. Russia being mad that a country formerly in their sphere has turned westward as a direct result of being consistently abused by Russia is not a fault of the United States.
The CIA worming its way into a country isn’t that country merely deciding to set their alliance in their favor.
I see what you are saying but it’s not unusual for powerful countries to not allow smaller countries around them to align with foreign powers. For example America has the Monroe Doctrine. Any country in North or South America tries to align with a European or Asian power America goes to war.
The Monroe doctrine is 200 years old. Anyone using it for an excuse to interfere in another nation’s foreign affairs is a clown.
Nonsense. No one forced them to invade Ukraine. You can’t be forced to invade another country.
They claimed they didn’t want NATO on their borders. Well now they have it with Finland and Norway and Ukraine is, unlike it was before, seeking NATO status.
(And, of course, NATO had been on their borders in Kaliningrad already, along with the Baltic states. Why didn’t that force Putin to go to war and invade somewhere?)
Russia has invaded through Ukraine by both the French and the Germans to devastating effect. Ukraine is a more sensitive situation. The Baltic states can be cut off in a day between Kaliningrad and Belarussia. It would also be very difficult not impossible to invade through Scandinavia. Ukraine being a part of an every expanding NATO is a reasonable concern for Russia especially when NATO is led by the largest war country in the world.
None of that is in any way a defense of Russia invading Ukraine.
10 years ago Ukraine was already trying to get rid of corrupt Russia linked politicians. Ukraine wanting to join NATO is their own choice, because of Russia. It’s like a bully that bullies because their victim didn’t want to get bullied and tried to get help.
So yes, imperialism. But also very much colonialism. Putler seems to want to bring the Soviet union back.
So why didn’t he say that instead of this special military operation to de-nazify ukraine? wth was that?
He said both. Over and over again.
Well good news for Putin I guess, thanks to his stupidity NATO membership increased in size with Sweden and Finland joining and lots of other countries also looking at joining for protection from… Russia
He could have integrated Russia more deeply into Europe, with the gas pipelines and supply of energy, France/Macron was constantly saying that Russia should be more integrated into the EU… but then he did this and now I doubt in my lifetime we’ll see Russia be anything more than a pariah state
This is a lie
Doing something wrong isn’t made better by threatening to do it first
Do you actually think they just send a load of cash to them?
I don’t know how many times this needs to be explained, but this is not money. It is not stacks of cash we could use to hand out to the homeless, or to rent them apartments.
This is war materiel. Artillery shells, vehicles, etc. It is assigned a dollar value. This is stuff we have sitting in warehouses, sometimes pretty old and in need of replacement anyway.
I’m no fan of the military industrial complex, but these donations could even be seen as a way to create American jobs in American factories, building modern replacements for what is being sent.
